PROJECT ITR AND ACCORD V6 - no need to argue ( I think).

However, I do agree (on this particular point) with Project ITR. When I bought my Accord (a month ago) I just found out what the dealer paid for it and gave him $500 over invoice. Car was listed 21500 (at the dealership), invoice was 19,000, I paid 19,500. Probably could got better deal but did not want to lose time. I went to 3 dealers. First two wanted to waster my time. Third took my offer in 5 minutes - we made a deal.

Dealer/sales-man is NOT doing you a favor by selling you the car. You are doing him a faveor (and you put food on his table) by choosing to buy a VERY expensive product (i.e. car) from him. I once had 3 salespersons and their managers trying to convince me that I cannot get a better deal then 20,500 (on 21,500 list price) and I just laughed to their face and told them (and I quote): "Guys, you are wasting your breath and my time." I walked out and got my deal somewhere else.

Just my 2 cents.