All of them have wimpy little drivers in crappy enclosures. That Onkyo thing is 500 bucks for six speakers, a sub and a receiver, and you're not getting much quality at all. Those B&W speakers I talked about are real quality stuff and I for one would rather have good sound coming from in front of me than be surrounded by crap. Surround sound is overrated. If you're on a budget it's better, in my opinion, to buy only the channels you can afford to get quality stuff for, and then upgrade later if you want the surround sound. I have some Infinity Reference speakers (the current Infinity speakers, meh, not so nice, but the old ones with silk tweeters are the money) on nice solid stands and a mid level Sony receiver and am way happier than if I had one of those crappy in-a-box dealies.