thanks for the insight sumaccordguy. I really like the convenience of the indash 1/2 eq's so I think im gonna stick with them. I had a Clarion EQS-560 before and it did the trick, anything more than that and im just doing too much. I really do like the AudioControl line of eq's so I'm gonna do some searching around and see how much I can find one for, and I'm thinking the EpiCenter would be nice too:rick: