yeah, the 4th gen ludes had those also.... I was just making sure we were talking about the same engines....

the f22's suck :chuckles: Every accord owner hates their engine. but they do have torque that the d-series lacks... and I assume he can find it cheap?

should be just like the h22... they're the same design... hell, even the trannys are similar enough to bolt to either engine...