20,000 was the lowest I got him with out giving him a credit report for the 04 wrx. He said we could renew the warrenty. He was very nice and not pushy and said give im a chance, come back with your dad for the credit report ( dad would co-sign) and he said he would even match that 24,000 for the 05. I think if I can get him to go into 19K range I might pick it up. Have to wait tell 1st week of september though.