God damn you're funny...you still don't get it...we're talking about modifying an automatic to outperform a stick shift. I gaurantee that my JMO modified torque converter prelude and my supercharger alone could kick the crap out of your Naturally aspirated (minus the ricey Nitrous) any day of the week. You can't beat good gearing, period. I'm done, unless you want to talk more about HIGH PERFORMANCE MODIFIED TORQUE CONVERTERS vs. 5 Speed Manuals at any level of modifications. Later