thats the only thing bugging me..if it has been abused. its kind of a gamble buying them and what if it turns out that they were abused? the guy said that he will let me listen to the system with the subs and then we can go from there. i am also going to make sure the box is well built and if it is, i will buy them. i think 3 w3's for $300 is a good price because ive seen these subs go for about 500 for just a pair. my plans were this.. hook up my brothers civic with 2 w3's and then i would hook up my g20 with a single sub. thanx for the info will i appreciate it.