ok the baro sensor was not the prob... the ecu though it was but this is because it was "confused" the reason it was confused was because the Hf is special and the b9 and b11 wires going to the ecu have to get cut. B9 tells the ECU the tranny is in reverse and B11 tells the ECU the clutch is disengaged. i think this has something to do with the little up shift light that the Hf has because its so damn special... i had forgotten about this because long ago i disconected that damn upshift light because it was annoying and ugly... anyways i figured it all out thanks... oh and the baro sensor/PA sensor/atmopheric pressure sensor/damn code 13/or however else you want to call it is by the blower and all that junk under the dash. according to honda those things rarely ever go bad if ever so i started thinking maybe it wasnt that and it wasnt yay.. thanks for replying anyways... later