haha... yea i would love to just rent copy return burn.... do they have any way of checking that you copied em??? and DVDdecrypter and DVDshrink or DVD2one is all i would need and i should be good? and it is all self explanatory? and these wouldnt happen to be free downloads would they???? its ok though i can pay some money for em".... and what do i need to convert them from avi. to vob. ? by the way... the programs that came on my pc are...click to dvd, power dvd xp for vaio, drag and drop dvd, dvd decrypter, dvgate plus, and i think thats it... can i just use these or prolly not???? anyway thanks alot blackmagik i will try and find them programs and i will look for dvdshrink and burnatonce.... can i just use them two and thats it??? thanks everyone