I dunno if id pay $17k for a Civic. I like the civic EX only just because other models are pretty stripped down. I think if i were to want to buy a civic, i would buy a Corolla S, just because i think it looks good and the interior looks good too. But i would have to expect people to hate on it just because its says "toyota" on it, which i think is wrong. but o well. The corolla is bigger, and it is a toyota. My family has always owned toyotas, never had any problems with any of them nor do i have anything against them. Im sure someone could say the same thing about Honda. This is out 1st honda, so i really dont know the company that well. I see way too many civics, at least here in so. cal.

sean