Originally Posted by xsentrixsupra
All mitsubishi cars are crap to work on. The wiring schematics look like they were written by a 4 year old gorilla with down syndrome. Also when something in the engine like a valve starts to go, they like to take the whole engine with them. I have driven a few EVO VIIIs......they are definitely a nice car, however I didn't like them that much and I'm not a big fan of mitsubishi products......after my DSM, I have always hated them. Also the EVO VIII hasn't seen the test of time yet. How do we know there won't be issues like on the DSMs? Honda's track record speaks for itself. Also in terms of their software, if you have something like All-Data or Mitchel's.....any info or specs you'd want are available on it, so their technology and info is readily available, you didn't get anything that special.........The EVO 8 is just a big fad right now, it will go away eventually.
You hope and you pray that that little 2.0L EVO will go away. You hope the owners don't find a way to tweak an extra 600hp out of that engine just like the previous generation of DSMers did with the GSX. Because your 3.0L Type IV won't stand a chance against AWD when they do. EVOs run 13's out of the box. They cost 1/2 of what your Supra did new. I have 6 friends that own EVOs, 5 run 13's on a stock chassis and one's in the 11's slightly modified. The makers of DSMlink are about to release EVOlink. If any of you are familiar with DSMlink, it makes Hondata look like training wheels. So, that 4-year old gorilla (it's "Downs Syndrome", by the way) got himself a Phd. If you can't figure out a DSM's electrical schematics, the problem's not the car. It's the person's fault that's reading the schematics. I have the FSM and have never had any trouble making sense of it. It's mapped out way better than a HELMS IMO.
I was actually in the market for a Type IV when I bought my GSX. I was going to continue my legacy with owning a Toyota (had a '85 Toyota Xtra Cab Deluxe for 13 years/335k miles) because I was having a bad experience with a GS Eclipse piece of shit (Neon in wolf's clothing), and there's no doubt that the Supra is a beautifully built chassis. But in my travels of researching the cars, I found their owners to be some of the most closed-minded, non-creative, pompous, cocky, POS assholes I've ever met. That, and you can make a GSX pace or beat a stock Type IV Supra for under $5k, including the cost of the car. Cost is what sold me the most, but the attitudes of the owners on the discussion boards and car shows was a huge turn-off. One thing that stood out to me is that Supra owners tend to believe that the Supra is superior to everything on the planet (because they sold their genitals to buy it), and it's not. But it is sweet. I can't deny that. That's why I originally wanted one. Fix one up to dyno 900hp, and see how long it goes before something breaks. They're no different than DSMs in that aspect.
Sadly, you're way off on the difficult to work on thing. DSMs are even easier to work on than your Supra despite the fact that it's straight drive. They're just as easy as any Honda, and I bet big money you've never worked on a 300z or anything with a Ford Ztec motor in it. Or worse, a Pontiac Quad-4. OMG! Sorry you had a bad experience with yours, but I and many other mechanics that I work with all agree they'd rather have a Mitsubishi or Honda to work on than any other car that rolls up in their garage.
I have Alldata at my shop. It requires a dongle to operate. Since the dongle is plugged in to my shop computer, it's not one of those home-use or on-the-go things that a tweeker like me really needs.
www.hondaautomotiveparts.com has its limitations, too. At least if you compare it to CAPS. It's not an all-inclusive parts lookup, and the diagrams lack anything resembling detail. But anyway, I guess it's sufficient for most people. I'm not crazy about their prices at all, either.
So... say what you will about their reliability or corporate practices. All I'm trying to say is that Honda needs to support the tweaker community by making their parts software public domain. It would help the community. The same community that needs to understand that there's more to a brand than the car itself.
PS: I'm unemployed as far as uncle sam is concerned. I guess it's more like, I'm unemployered. I write my own schedule. I pay my own taxes. I'm my own boss. Would it make sense that I could throw so many parts at my GSX if I didn't work? Come on. I'm a well commisioned mechanic and an IT consultant. My car didn't cause me to lose my job. That was supposed to be a joke, BTW, and I guess only DSMers would get it.