Yeah, mentioning different cars HP and performance was pointless I guess. I was just trying to imagine how 166HP civic turbo could even come close to mid 13's as claimed.

Thanks for the info rawk. That is very impressive for the RSX-S. 189WHP should make a good, fun to drive car. I'm not trying to build a race car, and I know civics aren't meant to be fast.. just considering ways to make my driving experience more enjoyable.