Stock for stock? Who cares? If we compared stock cars to other stock cars, we'd be doing what Car and Driver and Road and Track do every day...it's pointless. How many cars do you come across on the street, or at a track event that are stock? Some of your members think that EVERY honda/acura is slow and worthless, because they are slow from the factory. I know about cars, I know about racing, I know how to drive, I know how to do all my own work...I've been around the block a few times. I'm not some automotive newbie trying to talk shit, like the people from your board starting this little altercation. I know the technology and engineering that goes into both Porsche and BMW, and the prestige associated with both companies. They build world class sports cars, but I think you should give credit where it's due when a Honda/Acura beats the pants off of one. It comes down to the idea of respect. Many people demand respect from us, but don't give it in return...complete bullshit. Just like you, saying that no matter what, a Honda will always be an economy car. How many economy cars do you know making over 300 hp? As for my comment about the Boxster, I stand by it. I would never drive one, even if it was given to me. If I'm going to spend money on a Porsche, I'm not going to settle for the wannabe Porsche...I'm going up towards the top of the line. I'd take an M3 any day over the Boxster, and numerous other cars. We do realize you have other cars affiliated with your site, just like we do here. The person causing the trouble, however, apparently has a porsche and BMW, which started the debate.