cocky? I dont think so. C&D can kiss my ass. I don't care what they rate the TypeR as running. Fact of the matter is they will all run different times. Yeah a 14.4 or 14.0 is way off but how would you know? Thats the point you go off what you have seen. I hope no one is posting BS about what they have heard. Maybe the track that that 14.4 was ran at is short. My point and the point this user was trying to make was who would win. Stock vs Stock. The answer is the Type R. Also I ran a 14.8 stock here in hot ass Louisiana. My boy was able to run a 14.6 with just a AEM and cat back. I'm thinking 14.8 is a good guess (avg)