I've heard about a couple of cases in which the other person was held liable. I have a friend who has a 1987 Honda civic hatchback and ever since he saw the movie fast and the furious (or maybe my ITR ) he feels threatend by ever other car on the street and feels the need to "take them on" which is not cool at all. I tell him it is not necessary to prove your manhood on the street like that and people like him give us a bad name and I also tell him that whenever i'm at the line I'll rev to the speed limit and watch'em go, but he says that's you, because I got tickets or some other bullshit excuse. Well all I have to say is that if my friend acts like this, there must be countless others , which is just plain fucked up. Well I guess some things never change. :twisted: