good advice...c im so used to just plug and play...with my d16z6 now i frikin gained like 6whp w/ my mugen chip...but i can understand with nicer motor and setup the curve is much more delicate...

but back to what u said, the gain from stage 1 bolt onz iz a pretty good amount eh (how much, or how much have u seen an engine gain?) because ive seen so many people just do i/h/e and be done with it...i mean i wont stop there but it seems that those make a pretty good difference.

lemme hear ya...thx guys