to be honest i loved the lip.. but not the spokes. to me they did a crap job over all on the rim. i guess i could have got them redone by a shop, but just dindt feel like goibng thru the hassel. so i traded them for some ls mesh wheels that were done in a brighter bronze. he gave me cash as well . also 15's on a teg is just to small in that particular wheel. i suggest 16's if anyone ever gets them