Originally Posted by AccordSleeper
well if it wasn't for nader most likely gore would have won last,
not true
so i would think nader will steal away more democratic votes this time around.
well, considering the "Anyone but Bush" party, I wouldn't be surprised.
I mean, I'm no fan of Bush either, but the last thing I'd want to do is vote for someone who could potentially become worse than him.
since i'm a bush supporter i hope this does happen.
I don't understand why anyone could still be supporting him.....
even my father, the ultra-conservative, is starting to dislike bush.
living in texas, and having him as a former governer, I knew he wasn't the brightest light bulb out there, but he choose what I thought could be a great cabinet.... Who, as recent events have shown, isn't as great as I thought....
just a note: Bush put more inmates to death than any modern American Governer.... Any.
i honestly don't understand why people would support nader since he doesn't have a good chance of winning.
since when is the majority always right?
remember when segrigation was right? or male superiority?
times have changed.....
a 3 party system in politics just screws everything up, but hey if some stupid liberals want to waste a vote on some guy who won't win and take away votes from a liberal who can win than i'm all for it.
well, considering 100million people waste their votes by doing nothing, I'm sure the last thing I would want to be worried about was wasting my vote on someone whom I felt actually would be capable of leading this country in the right direction.
So what then, should I vote for someone I don't agree with, like Bush? Should I vote for someone who doesn't take a fixed stand at ANYTHING, like Kerry? How would this not be wasting a vote?
.....but what am I, but some "stupid liberal"
Originally Posted by MrFatbooty
18Sec, it's nice to see that you're completely buying into the spin that Nader has posted on his website just because you want to make the "outsider" choice.
yeah, my whole life revolves around doing the opposite just for the attention
I didn't know you knew me so well.....
Frankly, I come to beleive what I do because I think it is right. Because I'm an idealist who doesn't like to be told how it is, and I like to go out and actually experieince it for myself, and draw my own conclusions.
so they happen to not go with the flow all the time :dunno: I guess that just means I do it on purpose so people will think I'm coll
He's not going to get elected, and the issues he's supposedly trying to bring to light as a third party are nothing even close to revolutionary.
hmm, didn't I say he doesn't stand much a chance? I know I did.....
and I'm aware that its nothing revolutionary, but in a time where Republicans are trying to tighten their grasp of power even more (redistricting), and Demo's are still crying over '00 (the anti-bush bandwagon as of the past year (what have I been saying all along about iraq? since the fawking begining....) not to mention the sour feelings twords nader)......
you know, I'm surprised more demo's don't wake up to the fact that their party is a joke. Sure, its the lesser of two evils in one respect, but they're evil none the less.....
given the choice between bush and the demo's, I'd just not vote. But if I didn't vote, who would I be?
thus, the reason for Nader running.....
Thanks so much for the bump, because we all care so much.
you obviously cared enough to post
Originally Posted by brtecson
ok, if he's against back and forth bs, then he's all for back and forth and back again politics. and for the 60% who wouldn't have otherwise voted, the other 40% would have voted for who:thinking:?? i'm sure that 40% of his FL votes would have turned the ballot the other way.
well, 4% of the total vote isn't alot of heads.
Figure 40% of the 4% is alot to make a difference? How about this:
Take florida for example. 25% of naders votes came from Democrats. 38% came from republicans. Does that not seem strange?
There's so much bullshit that went on during the 2000 election its not even funny. Especially in Florida. 38% of naders votes were republicans? Maybe there was a problem with the booths :fawk:
but whatever. Keep lying to yourself and saying Nader blew gores chance at winning. Point is, Gore DIDN'T win. Get over it. I did, despite my feelings for bush.....
Originally Posted by NorCal DC4
As much as I encourage the principle of a bona-fide third party, and keeping in mind the phenomenal accomplishments Nader made in the 20th Century, he has become a romantic anachronism in the 21st Century.
thats how you feel. Personally, I think he's the best choice out there.
Give me someone better, and I'll vote for them. But I'll be damned to vote one of the two parties before I vote Nader.
This is the time for Dems to pull together, set a solid game plan and focus on one thing: ensuring that G.W.B is a one-term-wonder like his father. Starting with Bush's record - something that I feel Gore failed to use effectively in 2000 - is a good starting point. Kerry has the requisite foresight to make this happen.
why would you want kerry in office? So he can make a disicion, and then go back on it 2 weeks later?
please, even Bush is more predicatable than Kerry. I much rather have a warmonger I can kinda understand vs. someone whom I don't even know what he beleives in.
In short, I doubt Ralph will even make it on the ballots.
me too, but I still think he's worth the thought. Even if he doesn't make the ballot, I'll still write him in.
besides, 700,000 signatures isn't easy.....
Originally Posted by Hondapower10a
I learned a long time ago that there are two kinds of discussions not to get entangled in:
-politics
-religion
Therefore, I'm going to keep my opinion to myself and not let you hear it, even though I know you're dying to know.
talk to the people who moved on-topic into off-topic.
Originally Posted by NorCal DC4
Oh don't get me wrong, I'm very frustrated with Nader, and have expressed these thoughts on RalphDon'tRun. This is not the time for him to go ego-tripping on the campaign trail. Even if Nader makes it on to the California ballot, I feel very confident that his impact will be minimal at best.
ego tripping? Or are you just upset because you think he's threatening the Demo ticket? If thats the case, then its something personal.....
Democrats have very hostile feelings twords nader. Again, they think he cost Gore the election.
Gore screwed himself. If he didn't blow it in the NWern states, florida wouldn't have even been a problem....
And while we're at it...explain to me the argument against Kerry in NH and MA. I'm curious to see what makes him so undesirable...:eh:
Simple: look at the things he's voted for the past few decades, and compare them. You'll see inconsistancies....
Originally Posted by AccordSleeper
since he is a MA senator, the people around here have known about him and his past, whereas much of america doesn't. alot of it has to do with his anti-war actions after his military service. most people around here simply don't trust the guy. how can you...he is the richest the senator with a wife who is heir to heinz fortunes, do you really think he cares about the lower/middle class?? he has ties with the kennedys and constantly changes his views. i can understand not liking bush and all and wanting change, but kerry is not the democrat for change.
:werd:
I totally agree with you
however....
what he is though, is the only guy who can beat bush. so maybe that's reason enough to support him if your a democrat.
I do not agree with this. I know, I hate bush.... But I'm not gonna compromise my beliefs just "to beat bush."
come on, thats obsured.... But thats just me....