it runs 13.5's, i wouldn't drive one either, but for under 20k, damn! thats nothing to laugh at, this doesnt mean i respect neons, i just havnt seen honda put anything over 245.... not even the RSX type S... the S2000's close, but still cant beat it stock, what im wondering is how long the neon will last, ive got my money on no more than 50,000 miles