First, i have no clue what a ford ****us svt guy is doing on the honda tech website, they can laugh all they want, and im not comparing honda Tq to othrs Tq, but the H22 has the most torque potential of most honda motors. and about the 8000 rpms, i would much rather have lests say a 350hp powerband of 3000-8000 rpms, instead of a 400+ hp powerband at 7500-9000+ rpm. maybe im just getting worked up, but i would rather have a quick car than a fast car, at least for the street, because if you are constantly redlining your car at 8000+ you either dont know how to drive, or feel that you are vulnerabe if you dont rev that high. i dont care if the svt has 500 hp out of the box, FORD IS FORD, and the srt4 neon, hahaha, rally damn fast, STILL A 4 DOOR NEON!!!!!!!!!! let them say what they want.