Originally posted by Gen1GT
LOL...it's pretty funny that somehow you thought I was dissing Honda. I understand what Hondas can do and are capable of, and that they build reliable cars with good engines. The fact that you don't believe what I say about intakes, means you know absolutely nothing about cars or how to make power.
I don't give a rat's ass about torque either. My Protege only has 114 lb/ft and has a fuel cut-off of 7500rpm. The RX-8 would smoke any STOCK Prelude...compare apples to apples if you're going to bring up an arguement like that. And when the Mazdaspeed RX-8 comes out, it'll smoke the S2000 too(they're pretty evenly matched as it is).
Everyone has brand loyalty for different reasons, and as much as I like Honda, and realize the aftermarket potential, everyone and their grandma has one(literally). Mazdas are overlooked, reliable cars, with superior handling. And my Protege GT, with it's 125hp can smoke any factory civic this side of the 97ish Si's. (I've run 16.3@84) The new Si is a total joke. I've got 35 less horsepower, but I'm faster.....
The bottom end of the BP1.8 is capable of 400hp without problems(the J-spec GT-R has 210hp), so it's not like Honda is the only good engine maker out there.
You're right, torque is COMPLETELY related to engine displacement. Good for you. Too bad it's all you seem to know about engines.
And as for Domestics...they're frikkin pieces of horse shit. I would never buy and American if my life depended on it. America screws up cars, like we're screwing up the planet....
my take on CAI's: get an ebay one, save yourself the money, forget about the bypass valve.
about torque: yeah torque is nice, but don't you think it's ironic that a bunch of honda guys are talking about torque? fine in a drag race it might matter a lot more, but my relatively torqueless H22 (tq-less compared to an LS-1) pulls just fine so long as i keep it in powerband coming out of turn 3. anyway, high revving NA motors like the h22, b18, or the Renesis 1.3L in the RX-8 may not jump off the line, but in the end that's not what they were designed to do.
american cars: i will take a Z06, c5 or c6, or a c5R against any japanese import out there. skylines included. it may have an ugly interior, and inferior engine technology but you cannot sleep on the corvette.
about mazda: the RX-8 i don't know. i'm not sure why they didn't go TT with the newest 1.3 it's amazing that they got 240 bhp out of it, but the 130 lbs of torque is a little disappointing for a 30,000 dollar car.
the new mazdaspeed miata on the other hand? i'll take 2 please.