No, Element came second - it has a car engine

I'm not dissing on the 240's stock engine, but honestly it is a little crude and buzzy. Not at all "silky" or "smooth." However, they ARE reliable and ARE torquey. The fact remains that the engine was developed in the Altima and in trucks and not the 240 - North Americans just didn't get the S13's turbo engines. The KA24E is a truck engine at heart. So I just wanted to note that a lot of people want more, and upgrade it eventually. There aren't many 240s here, either, though...

Even though I suggested Saabs, you're right in that they are reliability nightmares. Something like 85% or 90% of Saab owners are first-time buyers - they get almost no repeat or return owners. There's a shop in Rockville that works on Volvos and Saabs only, and they ended up doubling as a used car sales place because so many customers said "I'm not paying THIS for THAT!"

3000GT is crap without the AWD VR-4...but the n/a 300ZA is a dog too...

I'm tired, going to bed...