Just to point something out: most of the time I am at the polar opposite end of the spectrum from DVPGSR and Blackmagik. The fact that we for some reason agree here is that while we have different political views we all have a healthy degree of skepticism for the world at large.

You can rant all you want about how fortune telling is somehow based in reality but to us it just ain't. I can't speak for them on religious views but at least in my experience I understand that faith-based logic is not compatible with fact-based logic and I don't try and combine the two. Since you are speaking about something that is faith-based, you will never convince anyone that does not also have faith in what you are talking about, unless they make that leap and start having faith in it.