So true...so true. This is one of many threads concerning such items. Neons, LED's etc etc. ive even seen two threads on clears in the past few days. Im not trying to be elitist (sp?) or anything. I just had to see this board go down the tubes. It has changed my outlook on cars so much. I used to drive a slow azz 94 teg LS w/ 17's and a bit of a drop. I thought it was so cool. Now I realize if I hadnt spent so much money on that stupid car my hybrid could be running a JRSC or turbo kit. Please dont let the civic forum die the death that has already come to the hybrid forum.