before I sound like "Mr. I know everything and no one else knows anything," let me get this accross:

first of all, I know this rambles on and on and doesn't end. Sorry, its a big topic.

I know I'm not better than anyone else. I know I'm just a grain of salt in this sea of life. And I know my beleives are soley mine.

But pulling in the idea of God/life/everything as a circle, life is a circle as well. See, our generations aren't really much different than others of the past. Actually, they are in the sense that morals are on the decline on a more global scale, but other than that, people still hurt, love, etc. etc.

so if life is a circle, we're key to it, for a circle missing a point along the outside is incomplete. Therefor, the point, be it an event in history or even individual people, is totally nessisary to keep the whole thing going.

take for example a resturant. Anyone who's worked at a reasturant knows what the inner workings are like (lets leave that reality tv bullshit program out of this for a second). There's cooks, waiters, busboys, managers, and greeters. They're all equally nessisary in order to keep the resturant running smooth. But for some reason, each group feels they're more important than the other. For instance, waiters fight with cooks when something goes wrong with the food, and vice versa. There's always the drama.

or even better, I used to play tuba in band during school. Tuba is an interesting instrument. Very beautiful in sound, its typiclly left to play rythim, or as a backing. A foundation, almost. Well, I had two issues with music, really. The first was people telling me what music is. First of all, you can't tell someone whats right, and thats not really my goal with the post (the point being mostly that God is in our lives already and we find it for ourselves). But secondly, I had to play a solo peice in college during my time up there. I think its total bullshit for a tuba to play 32nd notes (roll your tounge and its almost the same) all the while playing up and down runs well above the staff (5 lines that music bases off of).

so the point of these two stories is this: We all find our places in life. We cannot critize someone because of their desicions, and ultimately we're all nessisary as a whole.

see, I understand these delimma's. I'm the type of person who listens to what others have to say and trys and find it within myself. I looks at things and wonders why it is. Being raised catholic, I was told what God is. It didn't satisfy me. I set out to find what god is, and so far, I'm positive I'm on the right track.

But it's funny.... My lifes been disappointing to a degree. I do alot of questionable things. I've flirted with the same sex on a few occations. I see too much coincidence, and try to tie things togeather when there's nothing to be tied. I have the tendency to be poor with personal hygen. I live too much in my head. I'm unmotivated with a career. I really don't know what I want to do, part with the fact that I feel there's too many choices we're given. But all of that doesn't matter because I
a) learn from my mistakes
b) look twords the bigger meaning
c) do not think only of myself
d) know we all make mistakes, and that forgiveness is one key, but learning and not repeating is another.

but because of all these choices, I have been able to try a little of everything and get a solid veiwpoint. Something that happens to everyone as life marches on for them. But some people learn faster than others, and while I'm not the only one to think these things, I'm the only one who 1) cares enough to spread the word and 2) is right here, right now.

so with that last paragraph in mind, please, read on:

you're thinking old ways. You're letting convensional religion cloud your veiws. Thats the central problem with religions.

Like I said, no ONE is right. But to say that because of the fact that religion is in fact wrong is, again, not right.

and I only blame the jews for what they do. Not in spite of them.

for instance, I beleive the jews screwed up in case of their attitudes twords muslims. History lesson:

Back when islam first came about, muslims and jews got along very well. Their religions both said basiclly the same things about honor, respect, one god, and things of the sort.

well, islam was founded by muhammad, who was a strange prophet. See, he knew the religion since it was in his head. But he couldn't write. First of all, thats why muslims memorize the koran. Secondly, thats why the koran can't be taken litteral (along with every other relgious text). And third, thats why the jews didn't take muslims as serious. The jews looked on them as 'lessers' or whatever.

another point to that is that the jews wern't so easy to forgive someone. Their religion has an idea that "give respect when given" whereas muslims and christians both beleive "give respect even when not given." Now, mind you this isn't the case in todays society, but thats something the religions all say.

btw, that last paragraph could give some light as to why the jews have been shit on almost their entire history

eh, not too surpised, considering these are all universal truths.

btw, thanks for caring....

you're a keeper. I'm gonna have to right you individual.

thank you for giving me a point to work off of.

first of all, history is not written by god. It is written by the winners.

however, one can say that God "chooses" the victors. For example, early americans thought God chose for them only to have the continenent america sits on. Manifest destiney, while inappropriate in todays standards, was appropriate at the time.

so lets look at things real quick. God is karmatic. If you do good, he rewards you. If you squander, he punishes.

See, americans of yore did alot in the name of god. And our problem is we're not living up to the reality of that. We're actually saying "screw god" basiclly. This country is so loveless.

so while its understandable to say you don't beleive in god because of this or that, I beleive at the same time its sophmoric.

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how can the human species (classified homo sapiens) be on this earth for hundreds of thousands of years and only in the last 2,000 years does the idea of this god come up? and when he actually does come up its from some old guy traveling through the desert?

you are wrong. Oh, so wrong.

allow me to correct you. Religion hasn't just been around for 2,000 years. Sure, jesus has. Muhammad has.

astorlogy is a religion which has been around for thousands of years before christ. Even anchient chinese followed by it.

I'm sure even before that, there was religion.

In fact, the Emerald Tablet (which you would have learned about had you cared enough to learn about it in my initial posts) was around 4000 years before chirst. People like Alexander the Great (who created one of the largest united empires in human history) and even up to Issac Newton (who 'discovered' gravity) were influenced by the Emerald Tablet.

Want more? The Egyptions at the hight of their empire, were heavily influenced by a pharo (can't remember his name) and his wife (nefferitti, tho I hacked the spelling). Ironiclly enough, they were the most fair/forgiving leaders of the egyptian empire. They opted to worship one god instead of several, and most importantly, the renamed Ra.

See, because of the last points, some of the ignorant high priestes who were blinded by only what was given to them (religion how they knew it before change), and not looking at things differently (they didn't want to evolve), they opted instead of living a perfect life, we'll just kill the pharo, replace them with someone appointed, and ignore any of it happend.

funny thing. Had the egyptions addopted that idea, its feasable to say that the jews wouldn't have had to revolt, since moses's "one god" beleive would have meshed with the egyptions.

actually, the Emerald Tablet predated the jews, and in it it preached one god. Maybe its the same as the ten commandments? They both hold the same idea's, good and bad morals.

but one was more accept while the other repressed. Ironiclly, they both hold mystisism (the emerald tablets mystisim is known as "alchemy" which ties to the golden era mandkind went through with Leonardo DeVinche and such (who was also influcenced by the emerald tablet, and God)

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But pretty much every civilization on record as far back as we have records of or archaeological evidence for has some kind of theology.

because its a universal idea. There is in fact one god, and he is all.

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To speak on a quasi-metaphysical level maybe none of us have it right

being human, no one ever will

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but the fact that almost everybody that we ever knew of believes in some kind of supernatural stuff means that we're all trying to rationalize it in human terms.

I'll agree. But you're missing a point I'm trying to raise. We're all rationalizing the same feeling. But here we are all saying we're all wrong.

more and more I'm thinking I was here to bring togeather idea's. Maybe its egotistical, but first of all, I'm much more spiritual than the average american, and secondly, here I am, trying to bring us all togeather on here.

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Alternatively it could mean that humans are freakin retarded and to explain something they can't understand always fabricate some kind of external supernatural force as the reason.

might be the case, but I like to think optimisticlly.


techniclly we are. We're also jesus, muhammad, you and me.

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18sec, this is very interesting stuff. And I don't know why. :thinking: I wouldn't disagree with what you have to say, because I simply haven't put much thought into a lot of this...stuff...lately. Hm.

see, I think because of the conidtions of my life and whatnot, maybe this is my thing. Maybe this is why I'm here. Of course, I'm rationalizing as much as everyone else, but some people are close to the answer than others.

man and woman, black and white, good and bad.

positive and negative. Again, universal truths.

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There is no Heaven.. there is no Hell, they are embodied in the believer.

well, if I had to pick apart the idea, this is what I would say:

its right in a metaphorical way. Heaven to me is a dream, but much longer. Like a dream, in heaven anything is possible, but unlike most dreams, we're in total control. Heaven is what we want, what we love. All the temporaryness in our lives is heaven.

but then again, there's also hell. I think we're here in hell right now. Life is great, but there's pain and suffering and imbiguity where heaven is happyness and knowing whats right.

like reincarnation, we're damned to repeat life until we learn. Learn what? Well, to learn what porpous God has for us. If its a global thing or a family thing or even a personal thing is for us to decide. And once that happens, we're rewarded. What the reward is? thats for god to know.

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Now.. while I have a hard time believeing in a mystical being, I do believe that the universe itself it some sort of higher power and al things stem from this.

allow me to shed light on my god:

again, he's everything, and all right and wrong. Why did polytheistic societys crumble? Because they lived a lie. And the lie is there's one god. We're all part of something, which is part of something else, etc etc. Now, this is never-ending. Well, I take that back. Life ends and begins at a point, but only God knows when. Both Muslim and Christian faith follow that idea, considering they both have climaxes.

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The miracles of the world around us, and the infinite power that the human mind can have if opened up to it.

you're absolutely right, but we cannot open it individually. All of us need to realise this. And its not something like saying "I beleive in god" and just saying it. It goes further, because not only must you truly beleive it, but at the same time, you must live it.

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Also.. have you ever had your complete astrological chart done? When looking at astrology, one can't just rely on his or her sun sign. 12 planets were aligned a certain way at the time of each persons birth... makes for a very interesting read.

actually, if you want to get technical, the only planets that effect us are Mercury, Venus, The Sun, Mars, Saturn, and Jupitor.

but if you want to look at it from todays veiws, you're abosolutly right about celstrial body's having their say in us. Example:

The moon's gravity effects the tides. The tides are water. We are 70% what? So I think the moon does effect us. We don't relize it. In the same tolken, the enviorment effects us, because rain may make us feel one way, and a sunny day makes us feel another.

The planets create gravity like the moon. Given astrology was started before all the other planets were discovered, at the same time, I think the whole universe effects us. We just don't know it.