I get it, so basically that means that the 4th gen has a guauge that gives a helluva lot more leeway than most other honda guages (my mom's 99 civic has a 13 gallon tank, and usually after driving on 'E' with the light on for a while, and then flling up, it'd be about .5-1 gallon short of 13 on the pump meter). Ludeboom's gas-light experience supports that, about 65 miles on no bars, so I know how far to push it Thanks, this thread actually went somewhere.