I feel you guys...but yea i see it as this personally. I know my car will never be a 10 second hatch or teg. But thats cool, i love my accord, its BIG and comfortable to fit 4 other big people average size and a full trunk. And i can still haul ass with the h22a. I can race a civic, and have, and with 3 other people in the car rape taht civic. So im confortable with that, and with a few more mids 13's isnt far away. Cams and a nice 75 shot.