i dunno, i have a problem.....i love cars to much, esspecially DSM's no matter that they'll usually see the flatbed more often than the road (most DSMers know what i mean). i tend to have a problem with people saying stuff like "its gonna be fun to run into shit and totally destroy, just as long as it gets me through the winter". as for AWD/FWD im obviously talkin FWD, usually people who have an AWD as a beater have an MR2, Vette, Porsche, or some other really nice car. i think the only real "beater" DSM is the 1.8, though there are some quick ones