Well I am glad to see this thread has gone to complete crap...actually it went to crap a long time ago. I have really come to the conclusion that no matter what is posted, no mater how hard a fact it is, that fact will be either twisted so that it may be used in a liberal point of view or discredited so as not to be used at all. I have not seen anything of sound reasoning be posted by a liberal here...I am sure they can say the same for us Conservatives...so atleast we agree on something.

Somebody please lock this thread now!!