lol yeah you should dip in the arguement becuase you would learn from him not me lol. im only big on honda acura and gm. anyhow i said that when i looked under the hood of the vw there was a black plast thing over the whole engine and a shiny vw emblem or something like that on top of it. and he pointed out the turbo cause i didnt think it had a turbo. this is before i heard it run. and a bov makes for more buffer room and therefore more boost is able to be run. hence it was running like 15 psi with the chip. and it said on the web site that it was turning like 240horses so if you dont think that a car that light and that small with 240 under its belt so to speak can turn a 13 then you need to realize that it will easily. the audi was in the 380 range or something like that by the web site and arent those models awd cause he didnt spin very much and had a very big jump on a motorcycle that he raced against and got beat by less then a sec. and if you dont know ninjas do run in the 11's. Now i dont really care what you think your buddy will run or know what he runs because he should be lower then that or else he is doing something wrong in his steps to modding that engine and if you would like to argue that a hatch that is basically the size of an ek with 240 horse power either at the crank or the wheels will run a 13 then you can argue that loosing battle all you want. i mean if you really think about it an ek with a type r swap with turn a what with 40 less horse power. i know i have seen one of them turn a low 14 so i am sure that 40 more horse power is gonna put it into the thirteens. i mean shit i have seen 4dr civics run 14's with bolt ones and turbo cams with out a turbo and lower compression with a gs-r swap. he is a member to this board his name is westcoaststyle if you dont really believe that one. in fact he has probably seen these fellas out there. they dont come often but when they do they bring a fleet of cars and this is why they are trailered to the track. two guys and like 6 cars. i dont know dude you can believe what you want to i dont want you to be pursuaded that they can turn lower times then you might think because i am probably wrong. i dont need to argue anymore because i have layed all the proof i need. if this much proof were layed on oj he woulda been caught. you have sources saying that they are capable and an alaby its your choice to eat your carrots to get up from the table.