thankx for the info. Yeah was lookign at a 3.2s cl but they arent as appealing as far as looks as the accord, and they are out of my price range (11,000 at the very most). I think ill just get a accord 5sp 4banger, i took a test drive today and they arent as slow as people have led me to believe .

BTW, the honda dood told me that all accords over 97 have vtec, is that true?