i would have to say he didn't get owned, he just got ****ing rocked. :fawk: :lmfao: :db: i agree totally though. especially the part about there is more to rice than just a car, but rather the person driving it also. thats like this kid at the track the other night running an LS swapped civic with an open header b/c he didn't have the downpipe for the header. his car sounded like complete ass and when he was staged he would bounce off rev limiter for about 5 seconds or so and just dump the clutch spinning completely through first and some of second. the kid thought he would get the best start by dumping the clutch at 7600 and spinning the tires instead of feathering the clutch and slipping it a bit at lower rpm's until he got traction. this perception feeds right into the typical "i know everything my car is the shit" rice boy attitude.