Let me just say that Borla makes excellent exhausts. onebadassdx, you should do some research before you start posting out of your ass. I know of a couple of bad ass f bodies running Borla, and they swear by them. All the exhausts they make are mandrel bent and made of t304 so what's crappy about them. I have always heard pacesetter sucked but never seen or met anyone who actually had a product from them that they did'nt like.