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supercomputer replaced by 8 ps3's
seems pretty cool to me, not a direct replacement but its pretty neat:
Gaurav Khanna’s eight PlayStation 3s aren’t running Heavenly Sword -- they’re using Linux plus custom code to solve complex computations. Photo: Courtesy of Gaurav Khanna Suffering from its exorbitant price point and a dearth of titles, Sony's PlayStation 3 isn't exactly the most popular gaming platform on the block. But while the console flounders in the commercial space, the PS3 may be finding a new calling in the realm of science and research. Right now, a cluster of eight interlinked PS3s is busy solving a celestial mystery involving gravitational waves and what happens when a super-massive black hole, about a million times the mass of our own sun, swallows up a star. As the architect of this research, Dr. Gaurav Khanna is employing his so-called "gravity grid" of PS3s to help measure these theoretical gravity waves -- ripples in space-time that travel at the speed of light -- that Einstein's Theory of Relativity predicted would emerge when such an event takes place. It turns out that the PS3 is ideal for doing precisely the kind of heavy computational lifting Khanna requires for his project, and the fact that it's a relatively open platform makes programming scientific applications feasible. "The interest in the PS3 really was for two main reasons," explains Khanna, an assistant professor at the University of Massachusetts, Dartmouth who specializes in computational astrophysics. "One of those is that Sony did this remarkable thing of making the PS3 an open platform, so you can in fact run Linux on it and it doesn't control what you do." He also says that the console's Cell processor, co-developed by Sony, IBM and Toshiba, can deliver massive amounts of power, comparable even to that of a supercomputer -- if you know how to optimize code and have a few extra consoles lying around that you can string together. "The PS3/Linux combination offers a very attractive cost-performance solution whether the PS3s are distributed (like Sony and Stanford's Folding@home initiative) or clustered together (like Khanna's), says Sony's senior development manager of research and development, Noam Rimon. According to Rimon, the Cell processor was designed as a parallel processing device, so he's not all that surprised the research community has embraced it. "It has a general purpose processor, as well as eight additional processing cores, each of which has two processing pipelines and can process multiple numbers, all at the same time," Rimon says. This is precisely what Khanna needed. Prior to obtaining his PS3s, Khanna relied on grants from the National Science Foundation (NSF) to use various supercomputing sites spread across the United States "Typically I'd use a couple hundred processors -- going up to 500 -- to do these same types of things." However, each of those supercomputer runs cost Khanna as much as $5,000 in grant money. Eight 60 GB PS3s would cost just $3,200, by contrast, but Khanna figured he would have a hard time convincing the NSF to give him a grant to buy game consoles, even if the overall price tag was lower. So after tweaking his code this past summer so that it could take advantage of the Cell's unique architecture, Khanna set about petitioning Sony for some help in the form of free PS3s. "Once I was able to get to the point that I had this kind of performance from a single PS3, I think that's when Sony started paying attention," Khanna says of his optimized code. Khanna says that his gravity grid has been up and running for a little over a month now and that, crudely speaking, his eight consoles are equal to about 200 of the supercomputing nodes he used to rely on. "Basically, it's almost like a replacement," he says. "I don't have to use that supercomputer anymore, which is a good thing." "For the same amount of money -- well, I didn't pay for it, but even if you look into the amount of funding that would go into buying something like eight PS3s -- for the same amount of money I can do these runs indefinitely." The point of the simulations Khanna and his team at UMass are running on the cluster is to see if gravitational waves, which have been postulated for almost 100 years but have never been observed, are strong enough that we could actually observe them one day. Indeed, with NASA and other agencies building some very big gravitational wave observatories with the sensitivity to be able to detect these waves, Khanna's sees his work as complementary to such endeavors. Khanna expects to publish the results of his research in the next few months. So while PS3 owners continue to wait for a fuller range of PS3 titles and low prices, at least they'll have some reading material to pass the time. |
haven't they been doing this for a while?
or at least since they came out. |
Originally Posted by k3ifers
(Post 3670614)
haven't they been doing this for a while?
or at least since they came out. |
i'd like to know what his definition of "super computer" is as that changes dramatically over time. what was super 10years ago is a childs play today
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Originally Posted by DakarM
(Post 3670629)
i'd like to know what his definition of "super computer" is as that changes dramatically over time. what was super 10years ago is a childs play today
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I'll sell my 60gig PS3 on ebay for $5000 as a super computer. :cool:
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Originally Posted by rebeld
(Post 3670634)
the only reference i saw to what he was using was processor numbers, and he's talking in the hundreds. and at 5k a pop to do a run, seems to me they are prolly pretty powerful.
That same box could not compete with dual or quad xeon boxes or whatever AMD version is, for $25K including 32gb of ram and 1-2TB of HDD in RAID configuration. UC Berkeleys partial accelerator lab still uses the old HP boxes from 1996 when i graduated from there. |
Originally Posted by DakarM
(Post 3670645)
hmmm i doubt that. most of the super computing sites are using RISC multi cpu systems that used to cost $200K. HP used to make 4 cpu box that cost 190K not including memory or hdd. This was back when I was in college 15 years ago. Because the cost per box is so high the cost per use is high.
That same box could not compete with dual or quad xeon boxes or whatever AMD version is, for $25K including 32gb of ram and 1-2TB of HDD in RAID configuration. UC Berkeleys partial accelerator lab still uses the old HP boxes from 1996 when i graduated from there. |
i bet that dude is indian :o
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Originally Posted by v6_accord_jerz
(Post 3670650)
Are you a scientist? :eek3:
but i had access to all of the engineering labs and their equipment as well. |
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