A great quote
Originally Posted by Nightshade
I don't know what I would do honestly since I am not an economist :happysad:
What would Kerry do?...hell what would Bush do for that matter.
When it comes to the economy there are no singular answers that work. I do know things being done that do not help it in any way and that added stress is holding the economy in a stalemate at this point.
Do I really think Kerry is any better than Bush or vice versa? No not really I honestly don't think any politician is worth the cost of the rope to hang them.
What would Kerry do?...hell what would Bush do for that matter.
When it comes to the economy there are no singular answers that work. I do know things being done that do not help it in any way and that added stress is holding the economy in a stalemate at this point.
Do I really think Kerry is any better than Bush or vice versa? No not really I honestly don't think any politician is worth the cost of the rope to hang them.
what is being done now that is putting added stress?
Did you see my other question in my previous post to you? I may have added it after you started to respond back
Originally Posted by BonzoAPD
what is being done now that is putting added stress?
Did you see my other question in my previous post to you? I may have added it after you started to respond back
Did you see my other question in my previous post to you? I may have added it after you started to respond back
What is being done now as I see it is the added cost of the war and the billions going to it (87 billion+ last I heard). It is being added to our national debt bill and it adds to the destabilization of the dollar. Not gonna get into the whole war thing because you know how I stand there and there is no point rehashing that argument again.
Originally Posted by BonzoAPD
How well off were these people when Clinton was in office? Is this a new position that was added recently or have these people always been in this poorly paying job?
Now this is not a regional study or selected numbering but rather a national poll to document how the economy is really growing as opposed to perceived growth which is what many of us go by (hence the employment number fallacy).
Some areas are showing a growth in the average income and that is great, but those are areas and not the nation as a whole. The same thing happens with employment numbers as well. Your area may be seeing a 10% increase in employment numbers while in my area we are seeing a 1% decrease or simply a leveling of the numbers. When you look at national numbers it looks great...hey look 5.4% growth across the nation. Of course (just an example not actual numbers) New Mexico just faced a 15% decrease.
__________________
"I'll keep my money, guns and freedom. You can keep the "Change."
"I'll keep my money, guns and freedom. You can keep the "Change."
Originally Posted by Nightshade
Didn't see the addition to the post.
What is being done now as I see it is the added cost of the war and the billions going to it (87 billion+ last I heard). It is being added to our national debt bill and it adds to the destabilization of the dollar. Not gonna get into the whole war thing because you know how I stand there and there is no point rehashing that argument again.
I read a report the other day that had a nice little write up on how the average median income has dropped by nearly $4500 annually over the last few years.
Now this is not a regional study or selected numbering but rather a national poll to document how the economy is really growing as opposed to perceived growth which is what many of us go by (hence the employment number fallacy).
Some areas are showing a growth in the average income and that is great, but those are areas and not the nation as a whole. The same thing happens with employment numbers as well. Your area may be seeing a 10% increase in employment numbers while in my area we are seeing a 1% decrease or simply a leveling of the numbers. When you look at national numbers it looks great...hey look 5.4% growth across the nation. Of course (just an example not actual numbers) New Mexico just faced a 15% decrease.
What is being done now as I see it is the added cost of the war and the billions going to it (87 billion+ last I heard). It is being added to our national debt bill and it adds to the destabilization of the dollar. Not gonna get into the whole war thing because you know how I stand there and there is no point rehashing that argument again.
I read a report the other day that had a nice little write up on how the average median income has dropped by nearly $4500 annually over the last few years.
Now this is not a regional study or selected numbering but rather a national poll to document how the economy is really growing as opposed to perceived growth which is what many of us go by (hence the employment number fallacy).
Some areas are showing a growth in the average income and that is great, but those are areas and not the nation as a whole. The same thing happens with employment numbers as well. Your area may be seeing a 10% increase in employment numbers while in my area we are seeing a 1% decrease or simply a leveling of the numbers. When you look at national numbers it looks great...hey look 5.4% growth across the nation. Of course (just an example not actual numbers) New Mexico just faced a 15% decrease.
do you have a link to that article? I think it would be an interesting read. I have read numbers from other national polls (not republican based ones either) which have shown that these numbers are up. Also that while there is a decline in the middle class, there is also a decline in the lower class and an increase in the upper class (people making above $100,000). I think that is a good thing. More people should make more money. Isn't that the whole idea of your post. To get people out of poverty and make more money?
Originally Posted by BonzoAPD
do you have a link to that article? I think it would be an interesting read. I have read numbers from other national polls (not republican based ones either) which have shown that these numbers are up. Also that while there is a decline in the middle class, there is also a decline in the lower class and an increase in the upper class (people making above $100,000). I think that is a good thing. More people should make more money. Isn't that the whole idea of your post. To get people out of poverty and make more money?
Yes a decrease in the lower class is a good thing....but it is a bad thing too if it happens all at once. Inflationary value jumps by leaps and bounds if it all hapens at once and makes for an unbalance economy again and devalues te dollar again. This is how we get to the point of paying $4 for a loaf of bread etc. Yeah you may be a millionaire today but the millionaire of today is the same as a guy with $100,000 five years ago (example).
I have to get out of here right now to go look at a house (ironic isn't it?) but I will see about procuring that article for you because it really was a pretty well written article with only some minor bias in the text..nothing I would see as swaying the outcome of the poll though.
__________________
"I'll keep my money, guns and freedom. You can keep the "Change."
"I'll keep my money, guns and freedom. You can keep the "Change."
Originally Posted by Nightshade
I wish I did have the link to the article. I have done several searches to find it to no avail. I will post it to you if I end up finding it, I may have read it in the local paper though.
Yes a decrease in the lower class is a good thing....but it is a bad thing too if it happens all at once. Inflationary value jumps by leaps and bounds if it all hapens at once and makes for an unbalance economy again and devalues te dollar again. This is how we get to the point of paying $4 for a loaf of bread etc. Yeah you may be a millionaire today but the millionaire of today is the same as a guy with $100,000 five years ago (example).
I have to get out of here right now to go look at a house (ironic isn't it?) but I will see about procuring that article for you because it really was a pretty well written article with only some minor bias in the text..nothing I would see as swaying the outcome of the poll though.
Yes a decrease in the lower class is a good thing....but it is a bad thing too if it happens all at once. Inflationary value jumps by leaps and bounds if it all hapens at once and makes for an unbalance economy again and devalues te dollar again. This is how we get to the point of paying $4 for a loaf of bread etc. Yeah you may be a millionaire today but the millionaire of today is the same as a guy with $100,000 five years ago (example).
I have to get out of here right now to go look at a house (ironic isn't it?) but I will see about procuring that article for you because it really was a pretty well written article with only some minor bias in the text..nothing I would see as swaying the outcome of the poll though.
Originally Posted by BonzoAPD
do you really follow him? Go to his site and read his action plans
This goes both ways. The ideas outlined on both Kerry and Bush's sites are very similar on the matter of complexity and how in depth they go.


