tied that sucker up.

 

so if we got rid of the patriot act, would you rather have the terrorist posing as david cole sneak thru? do you have another viable solution to stop terrorist? I'll be really suprised if you can come up with a viable solution. Even Senator Ted Kennedy has been subjected to the Patriot Act. Of course he pulled the "do you know who I am!" routine, and was able to resolve it quickly. the patriot act is necessary. if you don't have anything to hide you don't have to worry. if your sketchy and do have something to hide I hope they catch you.

 

actually I look at it kinda like you. Kerry and Bush are not what I consider the perfect canidates either - in fact, I voted for bush the last round (its scary to think what gore would have been doin all this time :ugh: ) But now I've seen Bush's faults and heard his wishfull like thinking lies....which leaves the next man standing. Although, despite Kerry's shady "says one thing, later says another", I do believe an educated individual is the next leader for our country.

And yeah I am a bit more liberal then conservative. I don't look at the term "Liberal" as negative.

HOWEVER, at the same time, I do believe that we need a change up every few years. Reagan did some incredible things in the early 80's. It wasn't untill the end of the first term where he made some bad decisions....wasn't even till mid 2nd term where they become visible even. In theory, every idea he came up with was with out flaw. But in theory, communism is the perfect government.

We are in a transistion and we don't have a particular individual to handle this. I guess it's up to us to decide our fate and just hope the best in the future.


Hillary Clinton 08'!!! :eek4: :chuckles:

 

The current administration has either 1) killed threats or 2) made them hate us more.

I don't think it's the right way to look at a problem. It's kind of like quitting before you begin. You don't fight a fire with fire. Eventually both sides get burnt. I honestly don't know what is a better way to fix the problem, but fighting faith with faith and hate with hate is not a solution. Wasn't Jesus against an eye for an eye? Isn't Bush Christian? Thou shall not kill doesn't go too far when power corrupts your morals.

And we feel the biggest domestic threat is morally wrong homosexual marriages when it's apparent the leader of Christian politics himself is no more less sinful then people that want to get married. Not that Kerry is the new Mr. Jesus. A good Christian would never choose to lead a country. He wouldn't want to follow. He would just want friends.

You can't look at this election as what each can do for their country, because each is not looking into doing something for their country. Something is always selfishly motivated. The world is a selfish placed filled with selfish people and the only people that aren't selfish are the ones that you don't see. So if you think the war was to protect us, I say bull shit. Wars are an extension of politics. Bush wanted to create a peaceful stronghold in the middle east. You're no more safe today then you were september the 10th.

And you'll be no more safe if Kerry becomes president. While Kerry would like you to think he can change the tune that the arms play he cannot. Bush has not done everything to this country that Kerry despises, or wishes to change. The idea that you can force peace on to people, and you can force people through war and terrorism to do something is completely Nazi. It's...elementary. "Well it's OK to kill you because YOU killed my people first." Death=death.

Bush believes god tells him these things just as well as terrorists believe Allah tells them Americans are bad. But why are we bad? Has anybody in the government stopped to solve the problem where it starts?

I know people are going to think this post is ultra liberal, but really, both of the parties are so similar it makes me go "what does it matter?"

 

:stupid:

 

sure you do, fighting fire with fire is a very effective way to control the largest of blazes. Just ask any firefighter that has ever dealt with a brush fire or a forest fire. same goes for the analogy.

 

Why fight the fire? Why try to control it? Why let it control you in that way?

 

:werd:

 

would you rather the alternative? 3000 people did die because we tried to ignore the problem after all.. do you suggest we let the same happen again?

 

:werd: I'd rather be pro active, then retro active. I'd rather see the fighting over in Iraq, with the terrorist trying to take their shots at our troops then trying to take out innocent people.