jackson supercharger in gsr?
11-03-2005, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by TheOtherDave™
Let's keep this relevant to the Integra, please. Thank you.
And I'd like to go on record briefly:
* Aside from the horror story about Moss Motors being less than stellar with regard to servicing and supporting the JRSC line, there aren't any drastic fundamental flaws with the idea of using a positive-displacement Roots or Eaton-type supercharger on a B-series motor.
* That said, the centrifugal superchargers (Vortech being a good example) have had rather poor results with the B-series. They add significant power on the top end, but do little to help torque off the line. Conversely, they work beautifully on small-block V8s, as they aid high-rpm power (where OHV motors tend to get a little wheezy.)
And I'd like to go on record briefly:
* Aside from the horror story about Moss Motors being less than stellar with regard to servicing and supporting the JRSC line, there aren't any drastic fundamental flaws with the idea of using a positive-displacement Roots or Eaton-type supercharger on a B-series motor.
* That said, the centrifugal superchargers (Vortech being a good example) have had rather poor results with the B-series. They add significant power on the top end, but do little to help torque off the line. Conversely, they work beautifully on small-block V8s, as they aid high-rpm power (where OHV motors tend to get a little wheezy.)
Originally Posted by BADST GS-R
Not true. Yes... you can "turn up the boost" on a turbo. But if you don't have the engine modifications to support the increase cylinder pressure, you'll wind up hurting the engine. If you did do some major upgrades to the engine for more boost, that same turbo might not be the proper turbo for the new application. Just because you can run 8-10 psi on a stock engine, it's very possible that "turning up the boost" on that particular turbo may not benefit you as well as you might think with the new engine. A turbo can lose it's effectiveness if not matched properly to the engine.
As far as being limited on boost options on a supercharger, a simple pulley swap will give you the added boost that you need. Keep in mind that a supercharger does have it's limitations how my many rpms (not engine rpms, but supercharger rpms) it can spin. If you are reaching the maximum rpms that a supercharger can be spun, it's best to upgrade your supercharger as you do not want to over-spin the supercharger as damage may occur and it will lose it's efficiency.
As far as being limited on boost options on a supercharger, a simple pulley swap will give you the added boost that you need. Keep in mind that a supercharger does have it's limitations how my many rpms (not engine rpms, but supercharger rpms) it can spin. If you are reaching the maximum rpms that a supercharger can be spun, it's best to upgrade your supercharger as you do not want to over-spin the supercharger as damage may occur and it will lose it's efficiency.
11-03-2005, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by BADST GS-R
This is relevant....
I just provided a few video clips since a few guys mentioned they liked the sound of a supercharger.
I just provided a few video clips since a few guys mentioned they liked the sound of a supercharger.
It's the vids that made me raise the issue.
We don't want to start comparing apples to oranges... a centrifugal SC will have very different results with our dinky little fours.
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11-03-2005, 03:45 PM
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i didnt know SCs were carb legal...r they?
wat kind of SC has a good gain for our little b-series?
wat kind of SC has a good gain for our little b-series?
I was considering one for my DC4, but decided it wasn't worth the $3K invesment in a wrong-wheel drive platform.
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11-03-2005, 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by TheOtherDave™
Re: CARB Legality - It depends on the car. For your G2, it's the Jackson Racing superchargers. They won't turn your B18A into a 12 second street demon, but they will do a nice job for street use.
I was considering one for my DC4, but decided it wasn't worth the $3K invesment in a wrong-wheel drive platform.h:
I was considering one for my DC4, but decided it wasn't worth the $3K invesment in a wrong-wheel drive platform.
h: Procharger Sport Compact
http://www.procharger.com/SPORT_COMP..._compact.shtml
11-03-2005, 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by BADST GS-R
Procharger makes a nice little kit. I think I am going to install one on my GS-R in the spring.
Procharger Sport Compact
http://www.procharger.com/SPORT_COMP..._compact.shtml
Procharger Sport Compact
http://www.procharger.com/SPORT_COMP..._compact.shtml
OTOH, I'm biased in favor of the positive displacement blowers. As I spend more time in my VTEC-deprived DC4, I'm becoming a bigger fan of useable torque down low. The thought of waiting for 4000rpm or so isn't my cup of tea.
h:Hell, I'm already looking at a replacement for the DC4.
Hint: it has a V8.
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11-04-2005, 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by TheOtherDave™
OTOH, I'm biased in favor of the positive displacement blowers. As I spend more time in my VTEC-deprived DC4, I'm becoming a bigger fan of useable torque down low. The thought of waiting for 4000rpm or so isn't my cup of tea. h:
Hell, I'm already looking at a replacement for the DC4.
Hint: it has a V8.
h:Hell, I'm already looking at a replacement for the DC4.
Hint: it has a V8.
so is the jackson racing kit carb legal?
edit: nvm it is, i was at their site and saw this graph
im guessing the line that starts from the bottom is the supercharged b18, but y is it so low compared to a stock b18? i thought superchargers helped in the low end...
11-04-2005, 07:38 AM
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I my eyes, I don't want a lot of low end torque being that these cars will just spin the tires off of the line. Currently, my GS-R has terrible 60 foot times. I guess I am spoiled with getting 1.4 60 foot times with my Firebird. Granted, I haven't done anything to the suspension as I like the way my Integra rides now. But these cars aren't going to get good 60 foot times anyway (compared to what I get with my Firebird). What's a good 60 foot time for one of these cars away? 2.0 seconds? I'd be willing to sacrifice a little low end grunt as it won't be put to the pavement very well anyway. What good is any power if you can't put it down on the pavement?
Granted, I haven't done anything to the suspension as I like the way my Integra rides now. But these cars aren't going to get good 60 foot times anyway (compared to what I get with my Firebird). What's a good 60 foot time for one of these cars away? 2.0 seconds? I'd be willing to sacrifice a little low end grunt as it won't be put to the pavement very well anyway. What good is any power if you can't put it down on the pavement?
