alarms...
 

what alarms do you guys have? how do you like? recommendations?

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Most alarms are the same, most are made by DEI I think...so most function the same (eh, I guess alarms are supposed to). Alpine has one that's REALLY good, but it's expensive and very few even know how to install it. Otherwise, check out some Clifford ones, I read somewher they are ok.

I use Code Alarm. Independent company, so they are a little different than DEI or Alpine or Clifford. VERY good. I've had my system for 2 1/2 years and no problems. Thing I like about it is that the siren doesn't sound like every other siren out there. It will actually draw a little attention when it goes off (after all, isn't that the point?)

Alpine alarm is expensive? dude, you must get messed up with names. Clifford G4 is the most expensive alarm, not Alpine's. alpine has two alarms this year, Sec-150 and Sec-100. 150, the higher model which has proxy sensor, costs only 150 "CND". and of course this does not include any extra features, except proxy sensor, which is the best in the market. if you like, u can read alpine site for further details. btw, I have alpine sec-150 with viper glass sensor, shock sensor, hood/trunk pins, clifford digital tilt sensor, backup battery, backup siren for 700 CND installed.:thumbup:

you should get the alarm that comes with that beeper thing that sends u a page or something everytime your alarm goes off....... hehe

i've had everything from radio shack alarms (when i was 16 - take it easy) to alpines in my cars. now i have a clifford matrix 3 in my civic. i think it's the best out there for the money.

i'd go with clifford intelliguard 7000. i found it for $250 w/o installation, so about $380 for the alarm and installation.

do you guys think that glass sensor really does a thing when proxy sensor is hooked up? i mean the outter zone proxy would detect the movement and trigger the alarm before someone having a chance to use the duct tape or spring punch to break the window, even though the shock sensor is not triggered. and if the outter zone failed, there's still inner zone to back up. glass sensor is not cheap, if an alarm has already included proxy sensor, do u think that glass sensor is still worth adding?

what are the features included?

the usual "goodie" stuff. the basics that you NEED. start and ignition kill and some other options. i trust clifford. i recall arch iceman uses clifford in his own personal cars and he believes that a car can't be jacked unless by flatbed. i feel he knows what he's talking about plus my bro's got one and i like it. also, the IG 7000 comes with that cool carbon fiber remote. hehehe... one reason why i'm getting that instead of the 6000 or other "lower" models.

are you speaking of this?

http://home.wi.rr.com/onetoughcivic/...matrix3_01.jpg

http://home.wi.rr.com/onetoughcivic/...matrix3_02.jpg

clifford G4 all the way. do NOT get the matrix series. theyre just viper brains with clifford remotes.

for the ultimate protection:
ATLEAST the IG8000 (sensors adj. by remote)
and add the following accessories
-G4 clifford smart powered siren (doesnt need a key)
-G4 prox sensor (std on the 8000)
-G4 dual stage omni sensor
-G4 glass tamp. sensor (the prox doesnt reach the rear windows)
-G4 tilt sensor (rims etc)

should run about $600-700 installed.

you can also add the g4 remote start, which is OK to use with manual cars, and allows the stock clutch safety switch to operate.

from what i know, omni sensor and proxy sensor are the same thing. i just had alpine sec-150 installed this afternoon. and to be honest with you, you don't really need glass sensor if you already have prox sensor and the opposite is true. why? because if someone breaks your windows, he is gonna get in the car and once his arm or leg is in, the inner proxy will detect it which will eventually set off the alarm. with the prox in ur car, you can literally leave all windows open and go to sleep without worrying.
to test my theory, the installer and i did a small experiment on the prox this afternoon. we left all four windows open with the car armed and assumed that there is a camera, he wanted to steal in, on the seat. once he reached his arm inside the car before he had a chance to grab the camera, the alarm was set off.
that was less than 5 seconds. so you see how prox works. IMO, glass sensor is a waste of money, if you have prox sensor. i mean you can have either one since they are very good devices, but having both is a waste

nope.. the OTHER carbon fiber one. the FIVE button master remote. hehee... i think that's the best looking remote. :D btw, i'm gonna get the IG 8000 instead. only $260 woohoooo

awww dammit - mine's only got 4 buttons :wtc:

Well, my bimmer buddies over at the dtmpower all swear by the Alpine alarms. They've said Clifford is not the same old Clifford, who were bought by DEI (Viper, Python, etc.) and now have the same basic internals as Viper alarms with just the Clifford branding.

Not that Viper stuff is bad...in fact, it's very good. But if you're paying a premium because it's Clifford, might as well get the Viper equivalent since it's pretty much the same. :dunno: They said the Alpine 8040, 8026, 8080, and 8081 work great. I'm looking to upgrade very soon, I don't want to say "Damn, if only I installed a better alarm".

since i installed the alpine sec-150, i've sworn by alpine as well. and all installers i've met swear by alpine too. an installer who has installed alarms for 15 years said that, the failing rate for alpine alarm is the lowest amongst all brands. he could install 100 alpine's and only one would be defective. so anyway, i personally like alpine a lot

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Alpines are great alarms as well. I use Clifford on all of our show and competition vehicles, and Alpines on one of my personal cars.

As far as Clifford not being the same as the old Cliffords it depends on what models youre looking at. The only Cliffords that were designed by DEI is the new Matrix series of alarms.

If you look at the Intelleguard, Concept, G4, Solaris, and the Avant Guard series its the original Clifford design, technology, and components which are still better than any other alarm out there on the market in my opinion.

Most people dont have an opportunity to take a Clifford master certification course, so I'll explain one demo we did. We broke open a couple of brand new Viper and Python alarms and remotes and looked at thier internal components fresh out of thier retail boxes. We did the same with the Clifford models mentioned above, you can tell they were developed completely different.

The easiest way to tell which DEI owned alarms are the same and different is to look at the install manuals available on the website. Anything G4 is unique to Clifford, Matrix is DEI with a Clifford remote.

where are you guys finding these killer deals on the clifford alarms w/o install? id like to jump on it.

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