Ellingwood, you know how it is. It just gets to me when people start talking crap and don't even know what they are looking at! If you don't like the way a car looks, cool ... but you've got to respect the fully forged 1.8t that can hold 24psi and an ass load of nitrous on top of that! And, no offence, but it is usually from the Honda guys ... people should know what they are talking about before they try to ***** about it ...