I got my Lower Rear Tie Bar in...

[FourthGenHatch]

I know some of you wanted to know if these made a difference or not so I'm going to tell you about it. First of all I haven't done a ton of driving on it since I put it in but I went to some parkinglots and drove around. Basically the steering is a tiny bit smoother, around turns the back is a lot more solid and tends to come out a little bit around turns. I assume you could do some nice drifting with this if you were to get one and knew how (thats stuffs beyond me). And I have this with the Neuspeed Front and Rear Strut Bars. I would recommend Front Strut, Rear Strut, then Lower Rear Tie Bar if you are going to get these. And Neuspeed is the best in my opinion, but I'm sure Spoon obviously makes good stuff.

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[Brad]

nice.. i have the neuspeed upper front and lower rear bars and i like em a lot.. cant wait to get my sway bars on!

[tokyoracer]

can you post some pics of it? i would like to see it. cuz some peeps online is selling a neuspeed lower tie bar, but it looks like a bar with two screws at each end. but i saw some other neuspeeds tie bars in which it doesn't have that adjustability. just wanna to make sure it is the right thing and not some OBX brand. thanks.

[westcoaststyle]

I have both the front upper and rear lower neuspeed bars and I've been very impressed with them as well. Especially for the price. Even www.jcwhitney.com has them and sells them for a good price. I'd post pics, but it's night time and I don't have a digicam.

[Fujiwara Takumi]

mmmm, oversteer.....*drool*

[DakarM]

Originally posted by fujiwara takumi
mmmm, oversteer.....*drool*

hahahahha mr. drifter

[Fujiwara Takumi]

Originally posted by DakarM




hahahahha mr. drifter

in my dreams last night there were police officers who admired drift, and tires that never wore out

[white_n_slow]

Originally posted by tokyoracer
can you post some pics of it? i would like to see it. cuz some peeps online is selling a neuspeed lower tie bar, but it looks like a bar with two screws at each end. but i saw some other neuspeeds tie bars in which it doesn't have that adjustability. just wanna to make sure it is the right thing and not some OBX brand. thanks.

Its not really adjustable, thats just for fittment, once its on, its on. the one that doesn't have the locking threads is the front lower.

[white_n_slow]

Originally posted by fujiwara takumi



in my dreams last night there were police officers who admired drift, and tires that never wore out

:crying: Its.... its beautiful!

[asiandoood]

strut bars arent going to help you as much as sway bars will. i wouldnt say strut bars will help you drift better either.

[FourthGenHatch]

Originally posted by asiandoood
strut bars arent going to help you as much as sway bars will. i wouldnt say strut bars will help you drift better either.

Were not talking about Strut Bars.

[FourthGenHatch]

Theres a picture of it. Once it's all together it looks different that when in pieces. It is basically a long bar that kinds of angles up slightly at the end. Then you take and screw these "ball joints" which looke like "=O" and they go into the end then you put a bolt through the "O" and once you tighten that bolt the whole thing tightens up and even though its a ball joint you can't move it at all once it's on, it's basically for fitment like the other guy said, it fits 88-95 Civics so I'm sure it adjusts a little to fit the differences of each car.

[OSGP]

Originally posted by FourthGenHatch


Theres a picture of it. ...

Thanks for the useful info and a great pic! I have a Neuspeed front upper, and am definitely getting a rear lower! Have a few question:

1. Being a near total mechanical handicap, is it easy to install? Is it a DIY project or have to have a pro do it? Do I need to jack up the car?

2. Does it come with installation instruction?

3. Any tip or precaution for installation?

4. What type of tool do we need?

5. Approx time for installtion?

6. Since I have a HB, is it necessary to get a Rear Upper? I thought only sedans and coupes needs it.

Thanks again!

[Fujiwara Takumi]

Originally posted by FourthGenHatch


Were not talking about Strut Bars.

technically i think we are.

but they will help to induce oversteer, and they aren't as effective as sway bars. and theres no arguing, thats the truth.

all that added tension and strength you added there...think how much better it would have been with sway bars. ah, youll not know yet trust me, it woulda been a lot better!

[asiandoood]

Originally posted by fujiwara takumi


technically i think we are.

but they will help to induce oversteer, and they aren't as effective as sway bars. and theres no arguing, thats the truth.

all that added tension and strength you added there...think how much better it would have been with sway bars. ah, youll not know yet trust me, it woulda been a lot better!

[agent87]

Originally posted by OSGP


Thanks for the useful info and a great pic! I have a Neuspeed front upper, and am definitely getting a rear lower! Have a few question:

1. Being a near total mechanical handicap, is it easy to install? Is it a DIY project or have to have a pro do it? Do I need to jack up the car?

2. Does it come with installation instruction?

3. Any tip or precaution for installation?

4. What type of tool do we need?

5. Approx time for installtion?

6. Since I have a HB, is it necessary to get a Rear Upper? I thought only sedans and coupes needs it.

Thanks again!

Nice pic by FourthGenHatch.

I'm not FourthGenHatch but I'll help answer your questions too. Both of our opinions might be helpful to you.
1. It is easy to install. You can do it yourself. You need to jack the rear of the car up high enough to put jackstands under the car. Make sure to use wheel chocks up front. You don't need to remove the wheels. You basically remove the LCA pivot bolts, put the bar in place, then reinstall the LCA pivot bolts.

2. I don't know about FourthGenHatch's particular application but most don't come with installation instructions.

3. You might find it helpful to install at least one end piece first and then estimate the proper length before tightening everything down.

4. Ratchet; 10, 12, or 14mm socket (I forgot); torque wrench; jack with enough lift to get the car on jackstands; jackstands.

5. 30min. Since you're admitting to not being a super mechanic (at least you're honest), give yourself at least a couple hours just to be on the safe side. I honestly think you'll be done in no time as long as nothing goes wrong.

6. It's not necessary to get a rear upper but I've actually heard the opposite of what you stated. Hatchbacks essentially have a big hole in that part of the frame and are more prone to flex than sedans and coupes. If anything, more bracing in the rear of a hatchback will help a hatch more than a coupe or sedan with a trunk.

Good luck and I hope this helps.

[Fujiwara Takumi]

yeah, you make an interesting point. the way a hatch is there is essentially far less to tie the back end together like the trunk performs in a coupe/sedan.

make sure that you counter balance strut bars. dont put two bars in the back and nothing in front, or vica versa. never be out of balance more than one or your steering will get unbearable, and could be dangerous.

[OSGP]

Originally posted by agent87

I'm not FourthGenHatch but I'll help answer your questions too...

Thanks agent87 for your tips. Appreciate yours and others help!

[FourthGenHatch]

Originally posted by OSGP


Thanks for the useful info and a great pic! I have a Neuspeed front upper, and am definitely getting a rear lower! Have a few question:

1. Being a near total mechanical handicap, is it easy to install? Is it a DIY project or have to have a pro do it? Do I need to jack up the car?

2. Does it come with installation instruction?

3. Any tip or precaution for installation?

4. What type of tool do we need?

5. Approx time for installtion?

6. Since I have a HB, is it necessary to get a Rear Upper? I thought only sedans and coupes needs it.

Thanks again!

1. It's not difficult, but it's a lot of work.

2. Yes it has instructions, but they are basic, I can give you details if you would like.

3. Not really.

4. Socket wrech, 14mm and 17mm, Jack and 2 Jackstands

5. Took me 2 hours, but with what I know now I could do it in under an hour.

6. I would think Hatchback would need Rear Upper even more since it's a big hallow space.

[FourthGenHatch]

Originally posted by fujiwara takumi


technically i think we are.

Sort of, but a Tie Bar doesn't connect to the Struts in any way.

[FourthGenHatch]

Here's the instructions I posted on the 4GBoard...

Jack the car up and put it on jackstands, one one each side of the back supports. Place the jack under the LCA (Lower Control Arm) right where the strut connects to it. Then jack it up until it makes contact and then a little bit more until the wheel lifts up a bit more. Now unbolt the lower control arm bolt and pull it out. Now connect just the Neuspeed Ball Joint, washer, and the bolt and bolt it where you took the old one out. Now it should go right in very smooth, or still be pretty easy to wiggle around and get in there, look on the other side, you can see the bolt inside. Now the idea is the strut is pressing down on the LCA and in turn you have to work very hard to try to get this bolt into it's place, but by jacking it up you eliminate this problem and it goes in smooth. It took me about 30-40 minutes getting the first bolt in until I discovered this method, and the 2nd bolt took less than 30 seconds to go in, so you get the point. But now with the ball joint in just screw it in enough so that its in there but not tight. Now attached the bar to it and screw it in almost all the way, I left but 1 thread from being all the way on, now attached the other ball joint and everything associated with it to the other end and leave 1 thread and now try to get the bolt in there. Should be pretty damn easy as long as you have equal threads on each side. Now bolt it in but not all the way, then go back and forth tightening each side's bolt until they are even and both fully tight. Now you are done.

[Fujiwara Takumi]

isnt it tying together the bottom of the chassis strut towers?

[FourthGenHatch]

Originally posted by fujiwara takumi
isnt it tying together the bottom of the chassis strut towers?

Strut Bars attach to the tops of the Struts where the screw that comes up through the body is.

Tie Bars attach to the places where the LCAs bolt to the (I guess) frame of the car.

It's hard to take pictures of it since my car has the muffler go right in front of it. But if you can find a picture of a newer Civic with one you will see.

[FourthGenHatch]

Front Upper Strut Tower Bar


Rear Upper Strut Tower Bar


Rear Lower Control Arm Tie Bar

[Fujiwara Takumi]

Originally posted by FourthGenHatch


Strut Bars attach to the tops of the Struts where the screw that comes up through the body is.

Tie Bars attach to the places where the LCAs bolt to the (I guess) frame of the car.

It's hard to take pictures of it since my car has the muffler go right in front of it. But if you can find a picture of a newer Civic with one you will see.

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i know what its about bro, i just wanted to clarify a bit...even though it cant physically attach to the strut, theres a reason its called that, its not necessarily a "mistake"

btw, slips look good. i think my slips will be on my 4th gen when i get bored of them

[FourthGenHatch]

Originally posted by fujiwara takumi
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i know what its about bro, i just wanted to clarify a bit...even though it cant physically attach to the strut, theres a reason its called that, its not necessarily a "mistake"

btw, slips look good. i think my slips will be on my 4th gen when i get bored of them

I'm confused now anyway. If you are saying the Strut Bars are attached to the Struts than I agree. Cuz they attach to the tops of them on their "screw" things. But Tie Bar, yes it's similar, but technically not attached to the Strut. But yes they are all pretty much the same thing.

[OSGP]

Originally posted by FourthGenHatch
Here's the instructions I posted on the 4GBoard...

Thanks for the detailed description!

[skubb]

I think you two have confused anybody reading this thread.

man with that carburator I was like

one time I loosened the bolt holding the lca to the frame and found out your method very quickly. helps to do the same installing springs.

[FourthGenHatch]

Originally posted by skubb
I think you two have confused anybody reading this thread.

man with that carburator I was like

one time I loosened the bolt holding the lca to the frame and found out your method very quickly. helps to do the same installing springs.

Carb? What? Where?

[skubb]

isn't that red circle thing where the filter goes the carb? I know that beast has one.