jackson supercharger in gsr?

[tsizzle99]

hey i have a 2k gsr and was wondering wut ur guys recomendations toward me getting a jackson racing supercharger was...i wanted to get a turbo...but in cali...no carb=no go(other then greddy turbo.... ) so i was wondering if you guys think this is a good way to go...lemme know wut u guys think...thanx

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[FooD2000]

a few questions:
1. How much money are you willing to invest into this set-up?

2. Hp Goals?
3. Track or strip?
4. mods currently?

5. your question, is it turbo vs supercharger? or what we think about Sc on the gsr?

[tsizzle99]

well...i dont think i can get a turbo cuz of carb and supercharger goes better wit h my setup with dc stainless headers and v2 intake...so like...do u think a sc in a gsr is a good idea or shuld i spend my money on sumtin else...

[tsizzle99]

uh...money wise? i was gona get sc and then timing retard and hopefull that wuld be it maybe a little bit here and there...but nuttin to seroius...lol

[rugsr]

well, all i know s my neighbor had a 98gsr supercharged and it was ast as hell. broke a lot(don tknow why) but took a lot of cars here. then he moved to NYC and it got jacked. SUX. i thought wih a SC you can run an intercooler. if it were me do that and sell the V2, im sure youll see more HP gains

[tsizzle99]

so you wuld recomend the sc for my gsr? wut does anyone else think....

[mean-azz-acura]

that seems to be a controversial subject here in HAN. i think a while back one person said supercharging an import wasnt cool, so now thats the concensus. ive seen the jackson racing supercharger in action on a 2k civic si an it was pretty impressive. turbos leave room for almost endless expansion down the road where SC are very limited for boost options. if you know you can live with only a small amount of upgrade in pressure then go for it. you dont seem to want a turbo so the only other decent alternative would be the SC. your money spent on something else wouldnt give anything close to the gains that come with boost. on top of that, they sound so damn cool...

[Provocateur]

Jackson Racing is notorious for the worst customer service known to man. They don't stand behind their shitty products at all.

Before you consider anything, just read this fine article: http://www.hybridgarage.com/tech/marc-jrsc-after.html

[Ninj4r]

additionally... i've heard that any forced induction (given a high enough whp goal.) in an integra produces an inability to hook up without any decent knowledge of how to launch very frequently....

with a charger you'll have that little bit of time when the turbo doesn't kick in, so when you're driving normal, you'll be all set... with a SC where it's all instant power, it's going to take effect on your driving habits... and probably number of speeding tickets. =P

[LT]

Originally Posted by Ninj4r

additionally... i've heard that any forced induction (given a high enough whp goal.) in an integra produces an inability to hook up without any decent knowledge of how to launch very frequently....

with a charger you'll have that little bit of time when the turbo doesn't kick in, so when you're driving normal, you'll be all set... with a SC where it's all instant power, it's going to take effect on your driving habits... and probably number of speeding tickets. =P

the JRSC doesn't go into full boost until the trottle is open 75-100%. the bypass valve remains partially open < 75% throttle so at a launch, you can maintain traction.

[rugsr]

all of the SC ive heard sounds like screaming wining babies. its like a super ass loud high pitch,eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. not sure if all the ones i heard were f'ed but thats one reason why i didnt go SC. plus turbo leaves ya a lotta room for more HP

[Provocateur]

Originally Posted by rugsr

all of the SC ive heard sounds like screaming wining babies. its like a super ass loud high pitch,eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. not sure if all the ones i heard were f'ed but thats one reason why i didnt go SC. plus turbo leaves ya a lotta room for more HP

That is how they naturally sound.

[LT]

Originally Posted by Däs Schmoo

That is how they naturally sound.

it's called a blower for a reason.

[rugsr]

still dont like the sound

[DVPGSR]

Nothing wrong with putting a SC on a GSR. However, there is more to it than just simply bolting it up. Plan to spend a good amount of time and money tuning the car to ensure that the car runs properly under all conditions. You do not want to be leaning your car out when you reach VTEC.

[tegbooster]

not to mention the fact that the TB is moved about 6-8 inches over so ur gunna have to give ur intake some love w/ the old hacksaw...and yeah it's fun but once u reach a certain point...u run out of options and mods

[jay12187]

Personally, I think superchargers sound bad as hell. I wouldnt mess with a guy if I heard his car whine like that. There are plenty of options for superchargers, just not as many as turbos. You can still have a ton of fun with your no-lag boosted set up even though you may not have the growing potential of a turbo. I say go for it and have a blast.

[BADST GS-R]

Originally Posted by mean-azz-acura

turbos leave room for almost endless expansion down the road where SC are very limited for boost options. if you know you can live with only a small amount of upgrade in pressure then go for it. you dont seem to want a turbo so the only other decent alternative would be the SC. your money spent on something else wouldnt give anything close to the gains that come with boost. on top of that, they sound so damn cool...

Not true. Yes... you can "turn up the boost" on a turbo. But if you don't have the engine modifications to support the increase cylinder pressure, you'll wind up hurting the engine. If you did do some major upgrades to the engine for more boost, that same turbo might not be the proper turbo for the new application. Just because you can run 8-10 psi on a stock engine, it's very possible that "turning up the boost" on that particular turbo may not benefit you as well as you might think with the new engine. A turbo can lose it's effectiveness if not matched properly to the engine.

As far as being limited on boost options on a supercharger, a simple pulley swap will give you the added boost that you need. Keep in mind that a supercharger does have it's limitations how my many rpms (not engine rpms, but supercharger rpms) it can spin. If you are reaching the maximum rpms that a supercharger can be spun, it's best to upgrade your supercharger as you do not want to over-spin the supercharger as damage may occur and it will lose it's efficiency.

[BADST GS-R]

Originally Posted by jay12187

Personally, I think superchargers sound bad as hell. I wouldnt mess with a guy if I heard his car whine like that. There are plenty of options for superchargers, just not as many as turbos. You can still have a ton of fun with your no-lag boosted set up even though you may not have the growing potential of a turbo. I say go for it and have a blast.

You wouldn't mess with this, would ya? This street driven (no cage, a/c, cruise control, sub, amp, etc.) supercharged '95 Formula makes 770 rwhp and 682 rwtq with 22 psi from a Procharger F1. This is my other car.

The videos are a little dark. You'll have to brighten up the video to see it a little better.

Here's some boost for ya. Watch the front end lift.
http://www.flp2win.com/video_library/mitchscar4.mpg

Getting tuned with F.A.S.T. by my good friend, Dan Bills of Finish Line Performance.
http://www.flp2win.com/video_library/mitchscar3.mpg

Nothing like pegging the boost gauge.
http://www.flp2win.com/video_library/mitchscar4.mpg

[TheOtherDave™]

Let's keep this relevant to the Integra, please. Thank you.

And I'd like to go on record briefly:
* Aside from the horror story about Moss Motors being less than stellar with regard to servicing and supporting the JRSC line, there aren't any drastic fundamental flaws with the idea of using a positive-displacement Roots or Eaton-type supercharger on a B-series motor.

* That said, the centrifugal superchargers (Vortech being a good example) have had rather poor results with the B-series. They add significant power on the top end, but do little to help torque off the line. Conversely, they work beautifully on small-block V8s, as they aid high-rpm power (where OHV motors tend to get a little wheezy.)

[BADST GS-R]

Originally Posted by TheOtherDave™

Let's keep this relevant to the Integra, please. Thank you.

And I'd like to go on record briefly:
* Aside from the horror story about Moss Motors being less than stellar with regard to servicing and supporting the JRSC line, there aren't any drastic fundamental flaws with the idea of using a positive-displacement Roots or Eaton-type supercharger on a B-series motor.

* That said, the centrifugal superchargers (Vortech being a good example) have had rather poor results with the B-series. They add significant power on the top end, but do little to help torque off the line. Conversely, they work beautifully on small-block V8s, as they aid high-rpm power (where OHV motors tend to get a little wheezy.)

This is relevant....

Originally Posted by BADST GS-R

Not true. Yes... you can "turn up the boost" on a turbo. But if you don't have the engine modifications to support the increase cylinder pressure, you'll wind up hurting the engine. If you did do some major upgrades to the engine for more boost, that same turbo might not be the proper turbo for the new application. Just because you can run 8-10 psi on a stock engine, it's very possible that "turning up the boost" on that particular turbo may not benefit you as well as you might think with the new engine. A turbo can lose it's effectiveness if not matched properly to the engine.

As far as being limited on boost options on a supercharger, a simple pulley swap will give you the added boost that you need. Keep in mind that a supercharger does have it's limitations how my many rpms (not engine rpms, but supercharger rpms) it can spin. If you are reaching the maximum rpms that a supercharger can be spun, it's best to upgrade your supercharger as you do not want to over-spin the supercharger as damage may occur and it will lose it's efficiency.

I just provided a few video clips since a few guys mentioned they liked the sound of a supercharger.

[TheOtherDave™]

Originally Posted by BADST GS-R

This is relevant....


I just provided a few video clips since a few guys mentioned they liked the sound of a supercharger.

Agreed. No problem with the tech discussion.
It's the vids that made me raise the issue.
We don't want to start comparing apples to oranges... a centrifugal SC will have very different results with our dinky little fours.

[Brar]

i didnt know SCs were carb legal...r they?

wat kind of SC has a good gain for our little b-series?

[TheOtherDave™]

Originally Posted by [Damnit]

i didnt know SCs were carb legal...r they?

wat kind of SC has a good gain for our little b-series?

Re: CARB Legality - It depends on the car. For your G2, it's the Jackson Racing superchargers. They won't turn your B18A into a 12 second street demon, but they will do a nice job for street use.

I was considering one for my DC4, but decided it wasn't worth the $3K invesment in a wrong-wheel drive platform.

[BADST GS-R]

Originally Posted by TheOtherDave™

Re: CARB Legality - It depends on the car. For your G2, it's the Jackson Racing superchargers. They won't turn your B18A into a 12 second street demon, but they will do a nice job for street use.

I was considering one for my DC4, but decided it wasn't worth the $3K invesment in a wrong-wheel drive platform.

Procharger makes a nice little kit. I think I am going to install one on my GS-R in the spring.

Procharger Sport Compact
http://www.procharger.com/SPORT_COMP..._compact.shtml

[TheOtherDave™]

Originally Posted by BADST GS-R

Procharger makes a nice little kit. I think I am going to install one on my GS-R in the spring.

Procharger Sport Compact
http://www.procharger.com/SPORT_COMP..._compact.shtml

If you spend all your time on the secondary cam lobes, that Procharger will definitely suit your needs.

OTOH, I'm biased in favor of the positive displacement blowers. As I spend more time in my VTEC-deprived DC4, I'm becoming a bigger fan of useable torque down low. The thought of waiting for 4000rpm or so isn't my cup of tea.

Hell, I'm already looking at a replacement for the DC4.
Hint: it has a V8.

[Brar]

Originally Posted by TheOtherDave™

OTOH, I'm biased in favor of the positive displacement blowers. As I spend more time in my VTEC-deprived DC4, I'm becoming a bigger fan of useable torque down low. The thought of waiting for 4000rpm or so isn't my cup of tea.

Hell, I'm already looking at a replacement for the DC4.
Hint: it has a V8.

no

so is the jackson racing kit carb legal?

edit: nvm it is, i was at their site and saw this graph


im guessing the line that starts from the bottom is the supercharged b18, but y is it so low compared to a stock b18? i thought superchargers helped in the low end...

[BADST GS-R]

I my eyes, I don't want a lot of low end torque being that these cars will just spin the tires off of the line. Currently, my GS-R has terrible 60 foot times. I guess I am spoiled with getting 1.4 60 foot times with my Firebird. Granted, I haven't done anything to the suspension as I like the way my Integra rides now. But these cars aren't going to get good 60 foot times anyway (compared to what I get with my Firebird). What's a good 60 foot time for one of these cars away? 2.0 seconds? I'd be willing to sacrifice a little low end grunt as it won't be put to the pavement very well anyway. What good is any power if you can't put it down on the pavement?

[Brar]

could anyone with SC experience please pm or tell me who r u so i could pm u?

only tell me if u want to help

[ADRONICUS]

Vortech makes one for civic and integra too. Just a thought...