2005 Acura RL Introduction
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the RL isn't going to be the "be all and end all of luxo cars", but how can you know how luxurious and nice it is until you actually drive one around for a while and get used to the ammenties?
the same car with more power and AWD....... i guess AWD means nothing to you, then? the AWD system is supposed to be revolutionary. indeed, nothing like it has been put into a production car before. don't discredit it until we've seen some reviews, road tests, comparisons to other cars, etc.
styling is subjective, and if you don't like the car then whatever. but you're jumping to conclusions way too quickly. i hardly see how this post constitues news and/or rumors. if you wanted to post pics of the production model RL, you should have found some pics and posted them. instead you included a link to www.acura.com. real helpful
the same car with more power and AWD....... i guess AWD means nothing to you, then? the AWD system is supposed to be revolutionary. indeed, nothing like it has been put into a production car before. don't discredit it until we've seen some reviews, road tests, comparisons to other cars, etc.
styling is subjective, and if you don't like the car then whatever. but you're jumping to conclusions way too quickly. i hardly see how this post constitues news and/or rumors. if you wanted to post pics of the production model RL, you should have found some pics and posted them. instead you included a link to www.acura.com. real helpful
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Originally Posted by Dorikin
Coudlnt hyperlink to any pics, sorry dude.
http://www.acura.com/promo/rl/minisi...01_800x600.jpg
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http://www.acura.com/promo/rl/minisi...05_800x600.jpg
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Originally Posted by Dorikin
If you only think they can offer a badge..well...obviously you havent driven a German car.
Lexus? They are old mens cars and are not fun to drive. CTS-V and 300C have as much luxury as... I don't know. They are about raw power w/ looks, but have poor interiors.
I like the RL because it looks nice (subjective, I know, but so are the new bimmers), is luxurious, has good power, has a great awd system, and is a good value.
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Assuming the RL stickers at around $50k, let's look at what other cars are actually at its price point.
The RL has the following features, all standard: V6 engine (although close in power to several V8 options), awd, VSA sunroof, adaptive xenon headlights, Bose DVD/DTS 10-speaker stereo, navigation system, Bluetooth cell phone link, power rear windshield sunshade, manual rear side window sun shades, heated seats, and some other such stuff. Most of these things are optional on the other cars, especially the Germans.
Pricing info on the 2005 Audi A6 isn't up yet.
Let's look at the 530i. You want leather instead of leatherette? That'll be $1450 please. Automatic transmission? That's another $1275 and you're getting very close to the $50k mark. Option it up to a similar level as the RL and you're looking at an MSRP of over $54k, and it's still short almost 80 hp. It probably handles more nicely, but awd is a darn useful feature in the snow belt.
How about the E320? It starts at $49k. Optioned up to an equivalent level as the RL it runs over $57k in rwd, and in awd it's 80 bucks shy of $60k. Either way the RL has way more power, and to get awd you're looking at 10 grand more.
The new Lexus GS and Infiniti M look promising, but pricing isn't available for them either.
The Cadillac CTS-V is a high performance model with a manual transmission only. The new STS would be a more appropriate comparison, and with the V6 it comes in just under $50k when equipped similarly to the RL.
So, as has been the tradition for a while now, the Germans make a lot of stuff optional and you end up paying several grand more for the same equipment as the Japanese, or you pay less and get more equipment with somewhat less snob appeal. Cadillac has cast their lot with the Japanese strategy, but otherwise the market remains unchanged. It's just that there are more really good choices available in the segment.
The RL has the following features, all standard: V6 engine (although close in power to several V8 options), awd, VSA sunroof, adaptive xenon headlights, Bose DVD/DTS 10-speaker stereo, navigation system, Bluetooth cell phone link, power rear windshield sunshade, manual rear side window sun shades, heated seats, and some other such stuff. Most of these things are optional on the other cars, especially the Germans.
Pricing info on the 2005 Audi A6 isn't up yet.
Let's look at the 530i. You want leather instead of leatherette? That'll be $1450 please. Automatic transmission? That's another $1275 and you're getting very close to the $50k mark. Option it up to a similar level as the RL and you're looking at an MSRP of over $54k, and it's still short almost 80 hp. It probably handles more nicely, but awd is a darn useful feature in the snow belt.
How about the E320? It starts at $49k. Optioned up to an equivalent level as the RL it runs over $57k in rwd, and in awd it's 80 bucks shy of $60k. Either way the RL has way more power, and to get awd you're looking at 10 grand more.
The new Lexus GS and Infiniti M look promising, but pricing isn't available for them either.
The Cadillac CTS-V is a high performance model with a manual transmission only. The new STS would be a more appropriate comparison, and with the V6 it comes in just under $50k when equipped similarly to the RL.
So, as has been the tradition for a while now, the Germans make a lot of stuff optional and you end up paying several grand more for the same equipment as the Japanese, or you pay less and get more equipment with somewhat less snob appeal. Cadillac has cast their lot with the Japanese strategy, but otherwise the market remains unchanged. It's just that there are more really good choices available in the segment.
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Originally Posted by MrFatbooty
Assuming the RL stickers at around $50k, let's look at what other cars are actually at its price point.
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Originally Posted by Samson
i thought i read somewhere that it will sticker at around $53-54k?
I don't quite understand why you all assume that the 530i will handle better - from all I've read, this is a superior car, especially in the snow. Don't you guys remember the stories out of Japan of the new RL beating a GT-R around a wet track?
The value of this car is unquestionable. To get close to it in terms of equipment in any competitors would drive the price closer to 55k or 60k, especially if you want the power numbers of the RL. But then if that's all you care about, I guess the G35 nullifies that argument. In my opinion, the RL has the nicest interior available on any luxury car in its segment. Especially compared to the A6, that thing is nasty.
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Originally Posted by 98CoupeV6
Originally Posted by Samson
i thought i read somewhere that it will sticker at around $53-54k?