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eleveill 12-07-2004 08:24 AM

ABS pump motor over-run
 
My ABS light is on all the time. Once I start the car, it takes about 35 seconds for the zzzzzzzzzz noise to stop and the ABS light to turn on.

My ABS 15A fuse is fine.

I checked the error codes and I got three times the same code number:
1) 1
2) 1
3) 1

After looking at the ABS DTCs... This tells me that the problem is with the ABS pump motor over-run.

What should I do next???

carta79 12-07-2004 08:33 AM

Maybe someone with a Helms manual will chime in. Sounds to me like your ABS has officially crapped the bed. I would think you need the accumulator and modulator, which would be quite an expensive fix. (If you purchase parts from Honda).

eleveill 12-07-2004 08:40 AM

If that's the case, can I just unplug the 15A ABS fuse and forget about the ABS system? My regular baking system works fine.

FunctionMotoring 12-07-2004 09:51 AM

Ok, here is the description for DTC 1: ABS pump motor over-run

-Air mixed in with ABS fluid
-Pressure switch stuck off
-Open circuit between the pressure switch and ABS control unit.
-Open circuit between the P-SW circuit between the pressure switch and body ground, poor body ground.
-Drop in pump discharge volume.
-Leaking modulator unit outlet valve.
-Leaking relief valve.
-ABS brake fluid leakage.
-Faulty ABS control unit. :(


So, sounds like for the most part it could be an easy fix. The last couple of options are what I would be concerned about...

I'm going to try and get my scanner working and scan in the TS pages for ya.. Don't hold your breath though, this scanner is posessed. :rolleyes:

carta79 12-07-2004 10:07 AM

Well I wouldn't give up on the ABS unit just yet. Like Functionmotoring said it could be an easy fix. Bleeding the ABS system could fix the problem, as air could have gotten in. I just had a hunch that your ABS had failed. It sounds like your not to concerned about it which is cool.

I'm not to fond of the ABS on my Integra anyways. Sometimes when I brake I can feel a pulsation (is that a word) in the pedal. I'm sure I will have the same problem here soon.


Originally Posted by eleveill
If that's the case, can I just unplug the 15A ABS fuse and forget about the ABS system? My regular baking system works fine.

I would think so, I mean I know of quite a few people that do that.

eleveill 12-07-2004 12:10 PM

Here is the origin of the problem:

One day I replaced both rear calipers, rear disks, and rear pads. I bled the brakes and the person I was working with let go some ABS brake fluid by bleeding the ABS system as well (I don't think he knew what he was doing. I think all he did was he opened the valve once and closed it but some brake liquid did come off). It's now been about 6 months and the abs unit always make a zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz noise when I start the car. It's driving me crazy!!!!! Plus, it seems to be longer and longer. Now, I would say it takes about 35 seconds for the noise to stop and the ABS light to go on.

Thanks for the DTC 1 description, I will check if I have ABS brake fluid leakage tonight. If not, I will make sure I have enough ABS brake fluid (dot3) in the ABS reservoir, will bleed the ABS system, and fill up the ABS reservoir. I hope this will do it.

eleveill 12-07-2004 12:36 PM

Forgot to mention, my car is an Acura Integra 97 GS.

FunctionMotoring: Is the DTC 1 description valid for my year???

eleveill 12-08-2004 10:49 AM

I found the problem.

ABS: My reservoir was empty!!! I filled it to maximum capacity and the ABS light is not coming back anymore.

Now, let hope that the reservoir stays full!!!

Thanks

FunctionMotoring 12-08-2004 11:17 AM


Originally Posted by eleveill
I found the problem.

ABS: My reservoir was empty!!! I filled it to maximum capacity and the ABS light is not coming back anymore.

Now, let hope that the reservoir stays full!!!

Thanks

whoa.. good thing you checked..

hopefully there isn't a leak somewhere

DVPGSR 12-08-2004 11:59 AM


Originally Posted by eleveill
the person I was working with let go some ABS brake fluid by bleeding the ABS system as well

Yeah...that would do it.

carta79 12-08-2004 01:16 PM

:confused: So why doesn't the DTC description mention anything about low ABS fluid. That info was taken from a Helms manual correct.

JimBlake 12-09-2004 06:00 AM

If it was my list, yeah... The one-line description was taken directly from my '95 Integra Helm book. Then over the next 40 pages there's detailed descriptions for what to do for each one of those codes.

carta79 12-09-2004 06:09 AM


Originally Posted by JimBlake
If it was my list, yeah... The one-line description was taken directly from my '95 Integra Helm book. Then over the next 40 pages there's detailed descriptions for what to do for each one of those codes.

No that post was directed toward FunctionMotorings posted info. I guess I was confused to why the description for DTC 1 "Pump motor over run", made no mention of low ABS fluid.

FunctionMotoring 12-09-2004 08:35 AM


Originally Posted by carta79
No that post was directed toward FunctionMotorings posted info. I guess I was confused to why the description for DTC 1 "Pump motor over run", made no mention of low ABS fluid.

While it doesn't say it directly, it does sort of hint that it could be low w/the following statements.

-Air mixed in with ABS fluid
-ABS brake fluid leakage.
-Drop in pump discharge volume.

In the later pages it gives lots troubleshooting steps, which I'm sure tells you to check the abs fluid level :p

carta79 12-09-2004 10:03 AM


Originally Posted by FunctionMotoring
While it doesn't say it directly, it does sort of hint that it could be low w/the following statements.

-Air mixed in with ABS fluid
-ABS brake fluid leakage.
-Drop in pump discharge volume.

In the later pages it gives lots troubleshooting steps, which I'm sure tells you to check the abs fluid level :p

Well then we should of told him to check the abs fluid first. :chuckles:
I hope he keeps us posted on whether or not the DTC comes back.

FunctionMotoring 12-09-2004 10:41 AM


Originally Posted by carta79
Well then we should of told him to check the abs fluid first. :chuckles:
I hope he keeps us posted on whether or not the DTC comes back.

Hindsight is 20/20 :doh:

eleveill 12-09-2004 12:57 PM

My ABS light hasn't come back since I filled up the reservoir. It's been one day now and the level of the reservoir is still the same. It's all good, thanks!


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