Brembo Brekes kit for PRELUDE?

[fuhshietfu]

Hey, i've been searching online for brembo breaks does anybody know any good places to order from for prelude sh 01 and also what is the difference between slotted and drilled? Can just get the rotors or do i have to change the caliper too?

[monkey]

well a "big brake kit" is usually the whole shebang, calipers, rotors, and lines. they'll cost about 2,000 bucks to maybe 1400.

if you just want to change your rotors it should be about $60/wheel, so about 240 bucks. X-drilled/drilled rotors have holes drilled into them so they supposedly vent better. slots are rotors that have grooves milled into them for the same "purpose" but really it's all for show.

u don't have to change the caliper if you don't want to, and if you wanna ghettofab it, just paint your calipers red. also with a rotor upgrade don't expect more stopping power--that's affected by pad type and caliper size.

[ludeboom]

i would not recommend brembo from my experience

brembo simply takes oem rotors and cuts and drills them.

i had my front pair actually burn up, and i just changed them last week, i mean obviously slowing from 130 to 0 repeatedly while running from popo is going to work the brake system over but i didnt think they would start burning...

i will post picks of the warpage and burns on the rotor surface as soon as it is not friday night

lata

~boomer

[monkey]

they warped because they were x-drilled and slotted.

my recommendation for non-OEM rotors is the brembo blanks, which are what companies like Rotora, Powerslot, et al use when they drill or slot the rotors.

no one has ever complained about the brembo blanks, because they're pretty straightforward and well made.

remember, slots and x-drilling just means theres that much less surface area for the pad, and that the integrity of the rotor has been compromised. also they eat pads much much faster. unless you're a showcar, or into blingin, stay away from em.

[fuhshietfu]

So if i just get the rotors and the brake pads my breaking won't improve at all? i need to get the big brake kit to have braking improvements?

[ludeboom]

better overall stopping power - you will need bigger rotors, but the bigger rotors mean that your tires become the weak point and you will start locking if you dont have abs.

less brake fade and slight improvement overall - good rotors and good pads that dont heat up as much and dont burn

ive been looking for the green stuff pads for my car but i only checked out one site so far and they only had 3g prelude pads available
sucks

~boomer

[monkey]

Originally posted by fuhshietfu
So if i just get the rotors and the brake pads my breaking won't improve at all? i need to get the big brake kit to have braking improvements?

getting new pads would definitely change your braking performance. In fact pads are the most important element of a brake system. getting bigger rotors has a marginal effect, if any, because to really take advantage of a bigger rotor you need bigger pad surface area, which would be achieved by getting bigger calipers.

to put it simply, if you want better braking but don't want to spend 1500 on a big kit, get good pads.

[4thGenReady2Go]

Originally posted by monkey
they warped because they were x-drilled and slotted.

my recommendation for non-OEM rotors is the brembo blanks, which are what companies like Rotora, Powerslot, et al use when they drill or slot the rotors.

no one has ever complained about the brembo blanks, because they're pretty straightforward and well made.

remember, slots and x-drilling just means theres that much less surface area for the pad, and that the integrity of the rotor has been compromised. also they eat pads much much faster. unless you're a showcar, or into blingin, stay away from em.

it makes sense monkey, but then how does that explain why in race cars like CART they use cross-drilled rotors?

[ludeboom]

my boss drives a 911 with a supercharger, his stock rotors are gold (i think thats cadnium or something)
regardless
his rotors are cross drilled stock

as i understand it
cross drilling gives better heat disipation because it allows air to vent off the rotor surface and bottom of the pad thru the inside venting of the rotor. i guess it gives a through path for air

slotting is only effective on organic pads that produce gas when heated under extreme braking, because this gas will prevent the pad from effectively contacting the rotor surface at speed, kinda like hydroplaning but with gas.

any modification to the rotors thickness will obviously have negative effects on rotor strength

~boomer

[monkey]

Originally posted by 4thGenReady2Go
it makes sense monkey, but then how does that explain why in race cars like CART they use cross-drilled rotors?

ah, well the pads on formula 1 cars or CART are made of an entirely different set of compounds and operate at much much higher temperatures. basically when the asbestos in racing brakes heats up to whatever temperature racing brakes work at, it becomes a gas or creates a gas, and the slots and the drills let those gasses escape. which is why you'd need em on a F1 or even a NASCAR racer, but not on a street legal prelude.

[jc836]

This thread is a bout Brembo rotors right? You need a set of blanks and pads to match? Call 1-800-230-3030/Summit Racing has the rotors in stock (REAL Brembo) and also get a set of AEM/Nissin pads for them (Nissin is the OEM for Honda). The blanks are on both my 99 Base and the CRX up front. I might note that Summit puts their Qualitee label on the site-but the box absolutely is the real Brembo one.

You do not need slotted or drilled rotors. Brake pad performance is the reall thing with this setup or go with a more agressive pad for track/autox use.

[4thGenReady2Go]

Yeah, obviously I figured it had something to with heat dissipation, but it makes sense nonetheless. While we're on topic, confirm my rightness or correct my wrongness (surprising, and elating me while you do it): there aren't any aftermarket whole brake sets for the 4th gen are there? When I say that, I mean CALIPERS first and foremost. And, while I bring that subject up, do the JDM H22s usually just come with the axles, or do they actually come with the hubs too? I ask because if there is a place that'll sell the engine with that, will that bolt pattern by the 5th gens 5 bolts of the 4th gen's 4x114.3 ... if the former, that'd be cool because I'm sure there's aftermarket calipers available ... right?

[ludeboom]

only 2 hondas to use 5 lugs until s2k were ITR and 5g lude

pretty sure you can find a 4g big rotor kit from AEM or some other badass expensive shit company.

if you buy the front clip you obviously get "all" the goodies from the jdm lude.

some swaps on ebay had both front crossmembers and the entire front suspension still attached just dropped from the body of the car, struts, springs, it was like the whole front of the car without the body panels. pretty cool looking

~boomer

[4thGenReady2Go]

while I would obviously need to replace the rotors, do you know for certain if there are any aftermarket 4-piston calipers offered from the front of the 4G Lude? I looked high and low, no luck.

[wappmanb]

My price for a Brembo Gran Turismo brake system for the 1997-2001 Prelude is $2300 plus shipping.

As a matter of fact the Brembo kits for most Hondas are all $2300

[Snoopy]

www.fastbrakes.com

[Pelka]

How come the VTEC rotors are way cheaper then the Si Non VTEC rotors?


437+0885 BREMBO Vented Rotor L/R Front ALL "s" w/o ABS & "SE/Si" w/ ABS. $30.52 - Ea.
http://www.nopionline.com/index.cfm?...85&vTitle=1996 HONDA Prelude Brakes Brake Disc&vaffid=0

437+0906 BREMBO Vented Rotor L/R Front ALL Vtec Mdls. $15.66 - Ea.
http://www.nopionline.com/index.cfm?...06&vTitle=1996 HONDA Prelude Brakes Brake Disc&vaffid=0

Also cheapest cross drilled rotors? I heard Powerstop sells them really cheap... any other suggestions.

[Nelson]

www.Rotora.com

Take a look into their kits... very good quality for an affordable price, if I am not mistaken, someone was selling their kit off a Prelude in the for sale forum...

[blackhorse6]

If you want Brembo, then go to the Brembo web site and order. Cut out the middle man and buy them direct. if not Powerslot or Powerstop rotors are just fine, cost around $90 each. They all come in slotted, cross drilled, slot/cross combo or blanks.

Cross drilled rotors do have a tendency to crack easier than slotted or blanks, but all can and will crack if stressed enough. If this is for a daily driver and not a track car, then go with the blanks. If it is a track car then I would go with cross or slotted rotors with good pads (it is nessesary to seat the pads with the rotors they will be used with!) Hawks makes great pads for both street and track. If you truly want better braking then I would advise on getting new calipers also. Most if not all Honda's have a two piston design. Most big brake kits (Brembo, AEM) are of a Four piston design and will give better breaking performance. Make sure they will clear your rims.

Check out Stoptech.com also, they make great kits.

[monkey]

Originally posted by blackhorse6
Cross drilled rotors do have a tendency to crack easier than slotted or blanks, but all can and will crack if stressed enough. If this is for a daily driver and not a track car, then go with the blanks. If it is a track car then I would go with cross or slotted rotors with good pads (it is nessesary to seat the pads with the rotors they will be used with!) Hawks makes great pads for both street and track. If you truly want better braking then I would advise on getting new calipers also. Most if not all Honda's have a two piston design. Most big brake kits (Brembo, AEM) are of a Four piston design and will give better breaking performance. Make sure they will clear your rims.

Check out Stoptech.com also, they make great kits.

actually, x-drilled and slotted rotors that are cheap are usually altered after the casting process which makes them weak. but i wouldn't recommend slots or x-drilling anyway, because it doesn't help braking performance. for a track car, i'd go with brembo blanks too.

also, most hondas are actually a 1-piston brake caliper.

[ludeboom]

Originally posted by monkey

also, most hondas are actually a 1-piston brake caliper.

yup

~boom

[blackhorse6]

For most performance applications slotted is the preferred choice.
For many years most racing rotors were drilled. There were two reasons - the holes gave the "fireband" boundary layer of gasses and particulate matter someplace to go and the edges of the holes gave the pad a better "bite".

Improvements in friction materials have pretty much made the drilled rotor a thing of the past in racing. Most racing rotors currently feature a series of tangential slots or channels that serve the same purpose without the attendant disadvantages.

So yes, for a tracked car you will see better braking performance with a drilled or slotted rotor. Car makers (Ferrari,Porsche etc..)do not just haphazardly put drilled and/or slotted rotors on their performance cars just for looks!

Thanks for for the correction on the dual piston.

[Pelka]

Hows this setup?

Brembo Blanks... with AEM High Performance Brake Pads.

[monkey]

Originally posted by Pelka
Hows this setup?

Brembo Blanks... with AEM High Performance Brake Pads.

dependable and not much different than stock. slightly better stopping power, but not alot. a little more dust.

blackhorse:

hmm, i disagree about the slot/drilled advantages, being that the slots or holes provide less surface area for the pad to use to create friction and stop the car. also slots and x-drilling tend to eat pads much faster than a regular rotor which can eat into your wallet too at any rate, i track cheap autozone rotors, well because they're cheap and do the job.

[Vampgrrl]

My front pads need to be replaced soon and my rotors turned (Honda OEM). I'd like to switch to a pad that will make a little less brake dust and a rotor that well, won't rust.
Any suggestions for that?

99 Lude BTW

[ludeboom]

Originally posted by Vampgrrl
and a rotor that well, won't rust.
Any suggestions for that?

99 Lude BTW

i agree i hate that the inside hub part of the rotor rusts on most hondas
the way around that is to buy rotors that are treated with the gold colored zinc coating. ive seen some on ebay and around the web, i know brembo also has some treated ones too, although i dont know if they market rotors with and without the coating. i do know that rotors ive bought from brembo to date have not come coated with zinc, even if they were pictured as such.

the friction surface is obviously going to rust because the pads are constantly working over that area.
[edit] type= clarification
meaning the pad contact area will rust if the brakes have not been used recently. example: as in rust spots will appear overnight after it rains.
[/edit]
but the rest of the rotor shouldnt rust for a while if its been treated

~boomer

[jc836]

BOth the Prelude and CRX have Brembo Plain/Blank rotors, stock calipers and AEM/Nissin pads. The slotted and or cross-drilled rotors are no better on a track car in my experience.
BTW: Brembo is a manufacturer of the blanks used to create slotted/drilled rotors. They also machine them for sale in their kits.
If you need more stopping power, then consider upgrading the pads with any of the better brands such as Hawk, Performance Friction, and even the AEM/Nissin (they are better than stock). Also take a look at the rest of the package including tires. This suggestion is for a daily driver/track day car.
Happy holidays

[Pelka]

Cross/Slotted = Track only
Blanks = Daily driver

I like the look of the cross drilled... will my pads wear out fast. I know slotted do because the bite on them are sharp enough to cut your hand. But im willing to get the Brembo X drilled, i like the look and would be nice to have. Thanks!

[monkey]

Originally posted by Pelka
Cross/Slotted = Track only
Blanks = Daily driver

I like the look of the cross drilled... will my pads wear out fast. I know slotted do because the bite on them are sharp enough to cut your hand. But im willing to get the Brembo X drilled, i like the look and would be nice to have. Thanks!

slotting may (though i believe they don't) improve cooling and long term performance, BUT imho they aren't worth the pad consumption. they don't really help. on a TRACK (roadracing track) prelude i would use the cheapest rotors i could find, which come from autozone or kragen. for OEM replacement rotors on a daily driver, i'd use brembo blanks.

[Vampgrrl]

Any recommendation on pads that don't say produce as much dust? Just sayin because I'm tired of cleaning my wheels so often. =)