DO YOU THINK ACURA Will Bring NSX Back ?

[gingas]

Acura needs to step there game up with something. All they sell are lux. cars now. They dropped the RSX. When will we have a sport scar again?

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[TheOtherDave™]

No sooner than 2012. And I don't have a problem with that.

Taking off the rose colored glasses for a minute, the NSX wasn't all that great. From the start, the cost of designing and building the aluminum unibody would have been better spent on a more powerful V6, if not a proper V8. Yes, it was as fast as the 911 back then and it didn't leak oil like the 348 did. But both of those cars received full model changes — and with them substantial improvements — while the NSX was left to wither away.

That Ferrari and Porsche earn more per unit is tangential. If Acura is going to jump back into the premium sports car market and claim to compete with those brands, I would rather see them build a car that doesn't require excuses and sympathy seven years after it is launched.

Ultimately, I have more hope on the Honda side of the business. The success of the S2000 proves that a mid-30K roadster can distill the NSX essence into a cheaper product that is IMO, more fun to drive and more accessible to the masses.

[gingas]

I agree Dave. Yes Acura should've been gave the NSX more HP/ definately I'd rather see a V8 or do like Nissan with the Skyline. Now that's one nice ride in only a V6. Guess we'll have to wait til 2012. Hope they keep the S2K. Man I love that car.

[TheOtherDave™]

Originally Posted by gingas

I agree Dave. Yes Acura should've been gave the NSX more HP/ definately I'd rather see a V8 or do like Nissan with the Skyline. Now that's one nice ride in only a V6. Guess we'll have to wait til 2012. Hope they keep the S2K. Man I love that car.

If we have to choose between a V-10 powered $100K+ 911 competitor and a $35K V-6 powered "mass market" roadster, I'd much rather see the latter.
And from an accountancy standpoint, I think it's an easier case to make.

[93hondablk]

Didn't honda already come out with a new nsx concept and a mule car?

[TheOtherDave™]

Originally Posted by 93hondablk

Didn't honda already come out with a new nsx concept and a mule car?

Yes, a concept was debuted and the test mules have been built.
But as car sales crashed violently in 2008, the NSX project was shelved.
We do not know when — or if — they will restart the program.

Also, the S2000 is dead at the end of this year.

[93hondablk]

Originally Posted by TheOtherDave™

Yes, a concept was debuted and the test mules have been built.
But as car sales crashed violently in 2008, the NSX project was shelved.
We do not know when — or if — they will restart the program.

Also, the S2000 is dead at the end of this year.

Man that sucks to hear.
So you also mean that new s2000 concept that came out is also dead?

[TheOtherDave™]

Originally Posted by 93hondablk

Man that sucks to hear.
So you also mean that new s2000 concept that came out is also dead?

For now, yes. The concept was just that... a concept.

The outgoing S2K will not have a new model to replace it in 2010.
It's a gloomy time for any Honda badged sports cars...

[Twisster]

I wish, but I'm not holding out any hope.

[jebroni]

Well, don't give up hope yet. News from Japan today says the NSX will live, but it will be a 3.5 liter v6 with a hybrid instead of a v10 supercar.

Eitherway, sounds like a cool car to me.

http://www.motorauthority.com/report...rts-badge.html

[ZDXzine]

probably not but who knows how the economy and target market for the NSX replacement will be. Or rather when...

[oscarhmoyano]

Originally Posted by TheOtherDave™

.... the NSX wasn't all that great.

What are you smoking? It has been almost 20 years since the NSX showed up, the NSX changed the rules on exotic/supercars forever, only the 360 was a "bit" superior than the NSX but it took Ferrari a decade to catch up .. the 3.2 still after 12 years fast (0-60= 4.5 . 13 flat) that been a car that is not intended to drag, the looks after 20 years are still amazing .....

I can go on and on ....

Not the best car ever, but taking in consideration that Gordon Murray used the NSX as reference to build the Mclaren F1 road car means a lot ....

Oscar

PS: Slap a SC on a 3.2 and you'll have 400 @ the wheels, remove the 150lb of unnecessary extra weight, give the car to a good driver and you'll eat 99% of any cars on the track, that is not just a talk, is true.

[TheOtherDave™]

Originally Posted by oscarhmoyano

What are you smoking? It has been almost 20 years since the NSX showed up, the NSX changed the rules on exotic/supercars forever,

Go back to my original post and read my comment in the context it was posted. Show me where I said the NSX was insignificant, needless or completely flawed.

You can't, because I didn't.

Now before I go any further, let's make one thing clear: I agree with you that the NSX was a spectacular car to drive. So much so that since the half-hour I had with an NA1 nearly a decade ago, I've been saving for an NA2 of my own.

But for the purpose of this discussion, let's take off the rose-colored glasses and think about the NA1 / NA2 and the AP1/ AP2 in economic terms. That is the context from which you've cherry-picked my words.

The original poster asked whether I thought Honda was likely to re-enter the exotic car market. Given the retail success of the S2000, I said it would make more sense for Honda to continue to compete in the $35K sports car market.

As the sales numbers have proven, It was easier for people to justify spending $36K on a S2000 than thrice that on the NSX. And the AP1/AP2 delivered eight-tenths of the performance and exhilaration of an NA2 with less displacement, two fewer cylinders and most importantly, a conventional steel monocoque.

The car business isn't a charity. Every manufacturer has to build products that match what people expect of the brand. For a small company like Honda, more people understood and sought out the value of an AP1/AP2.

That doesn't diminish the accomplishments of the NSX.
The NSX deserves a lot of credit.
But it doesn't deserve sycophantic devotion.

the 3.2 still after 12 years fast (0-60= 4.5 . 13 flat) that been a car that is not intended to drag, the looks after 20 years are still amazing .....

I can go on and on ....
Not the best car ever, but taking in consideration that Gordon Murray used the NSX as reference to build the Mclaren F1 road car means a lot ....

Oscar

I have been giving credit where credit is due. And for the displacement, a 13-second quarter mile is impressive. But as time wore on for the NA2, an entire genre of cars started nipping at its heels, both at the drag strip and on the twisties.

Now I absolutely hate magazine racing, but since you've opened the door, let's stop cherry-picking exotics like the F360 and look at the entire sports car market. That's what most buyers were doing at the time.

In 1997, it was a driver's race between an NSX-T, an F355 and the 911 Turbo.
In 2001, the C5 Z06 would be a car-length ahead at the end of the quarter mile.
By 2004, the STi and the C5 either matched or out-performed the NA2 to 60, through the quarter mile or around the skidpad.

Whether you consider an any of those cars to be of equal stature to the NSX is irrelevant. The point remains that by 2003, many cars were becoming nearly as fast. And whether you earned $50K or $500K a year, it became harder to justify the premium for an NSX when you could nearly nearly as fast on any road for less.

PS: Slap a SC on a 3.2 and you'll have 400 @ the wheels, remove the 150lb of unnecessary extra weight, give the car to a good driver and you'll eat 99% of any cars on the track, that is not just a talk, is true.

Leave the aftermarket out of this; it needlessly obfuscates the debate.

Once you start talking about what the aftermarket can do for one car versus another, it's no longer an apples-to-apples comparison. It's a competition between the owners' bank accounts.

Besides, if the NSX driver buys a CTSC, what is there to keep your 360 driver from buying a Novitec SC for his car? The blown 360 would still be quicker to 60, faster through the quarter and so on.

At the risk of overstating my point, consider George Poteet's 69 Cuda "Blowfish." He took a stock Hemi Cuda and turned it into a show-car quality machine that did 230mph on its first trip to Bonneville. It took $400K to get the job done.

[bluetwo]

Nope.... she's what we call the Done For!

Sports cars are officially daide.

Though I have to admit that red one is kinda beautiful.

[iafb83]

It's quite sad, but Acura has recently confirmed that an NSX replacement is dead. They are now focusing on fuel economy instead of performance. The good news is that Acura said they may build a more affordable sports car in the $60,000 range instead of a $100k supercar.

See the article here:
http://acceltimes.com/news/8/acura-nsx-canceled.php