C&D: Dodge Neon SRT-4 - Page 2 - Honda-Acura.net

jaje · 11-11-02, 07:19 AM

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Originally posted by boilers
I went to nissan board once and they made fun of hp/l there. I forgot the exact story, but they said if they had a race and the honda lost, at least the guy from the honda still got an excuse "Oh yeah, I lost but I got more HP/L than you." ...

i wonder what they say when a stock protege wagon passes those 240sxs on road coarses like i do...oh yeah...your wagon must be modified or race prepped...until i let them sit in it and realize that its all oem with 130hp and a small intake

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asianautica · 11-11-02, 11:45 AM

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Originally posted by yianni64
Well, the SRT-4 has some nice sticky rubber on it already. It's a fast little straight line bugger, but as far as handling goes, I have to wait and see it. Until then, I dont think it'll do all that great from what I've seen. What I jsut said was an opinion, so it might be wrong......

I agree that 14.2 sec. 1/4 mile is really fast for a sub $20k car but i'm just saying it'll be even more faster if you can just transfer those power to the ground. LSD also should help in the handling department too. If you look @ highway speed test, 30-50 and 50-70, it's about a sec faster than the 350Z, interesting huh? I think you've heard of the Neon ACR, that's Neon can handle like crazy and they did say all parts on teh ACR can be fitted for the SRT-4. They just chose this type of suspension for a lil more comfort but if you really wanna go all out racing, I'm sure if you tune suspension either w/ ACR parts or aftermarket parts w/ a nice set of rubber like racing slicks and LSD, this car can be a monster @ the track. Just like you, all these things i'm saying are also an educated guess and speculation, so I might be wrong....

asianautica · 11-11-02, 11:50 AM

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Originally posted by boilers
Yeah I agree... so what if 2 cars make the same HP and one has bigger HP/L. I think what counts is which one is faster and a better car overall.

I went to nissan board once and they made fun of hp/l there. I forgot the exact story, but they said if they had a race and the honda lost, at least the guy from the honda still got an excuse "Oh yeah, I lost but I got more HP/L than you." ...

I think the Nissan enthusiasts are more interested in larger total HP than larger HP/L. They also tend to prefer turbo since they can reach much larger # w/ F/I than N/A. So if you bring up the HP/L argument w/ them, I don't think they'll care very much. I don't think anyone besides honda enthusiast really care about HP/L.

yianni64 · 11-11-02, 01:02 PM

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Originally posted by asianautica
I agree that 14.2 sec. 1/4 mile is really fast for a sub $20k car but i'm just saying it'll be even more faster if you can just transfer those power to the ground. LSD also should help in the handling department too. If you look @ highway speed test, 30-50 and 50-70, it's about a sec faster than the 350Z, interesting huh? I think you've heard of the Neon ACR, that's Neon can handle like crazy and they did say all parts on teh ACR can be fitted for the SRT-4. They just chose this type of suspension for a lil more comfort but if you really wanna go all out racing, I'm sure if you tune suspension either w/ ACR parts or aftermarket parts w/ a nice set of rubber like racing slicks and LSD, this car can be a monster @ the track. Just like you, all these things i'm saying are also an educated guess and speculation, so I might be wrong....

sure about that? the SRT-4 (like other srt's) is the extreme version right? so why would it have a softer suspension than the ACR?

b18cya · 11-11-02, 01:11 PM

uugh...neons

asianautica · 11-11-02, 01:27 PM

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Originally posted by yianni64
sure about that? the SRT-4 (like other srt's) is the extreme version right? so why would it have a softer suspension than the ACR?

Well, according to the article, it does.

silvagsr · 11-12-02, 09:04 PM

You know no one mentioned that the car doesnt have mufflers and WOW it does 153.....nice

yianni64 · 11-12-02, 10:44 PM

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Originally posted by silvagsr
You know no one mentioned that the car doesnt have mufflers and WOW it does 153.....nice

**MrFatbooty** · 11-12-02, 11:34 PM

I think he means that the car doesn't have any mufflers, and its as-tested top speed was 153 mph.

And not to beat a dead horse, but check out these seats!

They look awesome, although there's a glaring lack of harness slots.

BTW the full C&D article is now online at http://www.caranddriver.com/image_ca...srt4_seats.jpg

yianni64 · 11-13-02, 12:05 AM

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Originally posted by MrFatBooty
I think he means that the car doesn't have any mufflers, and its as-tested top speed was 153 mph.

And not to beat a dead horse, but check out these seats!

They look awesome, although there's a glaring lack of harness slots.

BTW the full C&D article is now online at http://www.caranddriver.com/image_ca...srt4_seats.jpg

it doesnt have mufflers? how can this be? man, i think im dumb......

silvagsr · 11-13-02, 01:26 AM

Yes it has no mufflers... it has a turbo manifold, catalytic converter and two resonators, but no mufflers...prolly the reason why C&D mentioned the exhaust note. Something even more crazy is that sport compact car mag. tested a prototype that was putting down 223HP and 250 lb-ft torque at the wheels(not the crank) thats more than dodge is advertising at the crank....It may be a neon but this car has serious attitude (and power to match) If I had the money I would purchase it jut for the fun factor.

98CoupeV6 · 11-13-02, 04:53 PM

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Originally posted by MrFatBooty

And not to beat a dead horse, but check out these seats!

Not very pretty to look at. I also read they're quite uncomfortable and don't give a whole lotta lateral support...they're racing seats. Chrysler didn't put the R&D in like Honda did with the RSX's seats, which are an amazing compromise.

**MrFatbooty** · 11-13-02, 05:03 PM

I've sat in an RSX, the seats didn't feel like "an amazing compromise" to me. Sure they look kind of cool but they don't keep you really locked into the seat. Don't mind me though, I'm hardcore and only really want a 1-piece seat anyway. I don't care how the interior looks, as long as there's a 1-piece driver's seat with a 4-point harness and a plain-jane passenger seat. I don't care what they have to sit on. Nissan sort of gets the idea with the new Z, the driver's seat has much more aggressive bolstering than the passenger seat. Now I haven't given it the official ass-test so I can't comment on the effectiveness, but in theory I like the concept.

Now if they put these suckers in the RSX then I'd be hooked:

98CoupeV6 · 11-13-02, 05:28 PM

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Originally posted by MrFatBooty
I've sat in an RSX, the seats didn't feel like "an amazing compromise" to me.

I've driven an RSX around Watkins Glen, and they do to me.

yianni64 · 11-13-02, 06:28 PM

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Originally posted by MrFatBooty
I've sat in an RSX, the seats didn't feel like "an amazing compromise" to me. Sure they look kind of cool but they don't keep you really locked into the seat. Don't mind me though, I'm hardcore and only really want a 1-piece seat anyway. I don't care how the interior looks, as long as there's a 1-piece driver's seat with a 4-point harness and a plain-jane passenger seat. I don't care what they have to sit on. Nissan sort of gets the idea with the new Z, the driver's seat has much more aggressive bolstering than the passenger seat. Now I haven't given it the official ass-test so I can't comment on the effectiveness, but in theory I like the concept.

Now if they put these suckers in the RSX then I'd be hooked:

I rather have some Recaro's

silvagsr · 11-13-02, 07:46 PM

Z's always have good seats... I had a 88 and an 82.... I really miss the 88, it had some super nice seats in it and they resembled the recaros.

jaje · 03-02-03, 12:44 AM

neon srt versus wrx and talon turbo

http://staff.tcu.edu/jaltschul/SRT-4vsWRX_vs_Talon.WMV

jaje · 03-02-03, 12:51 AM

a little history on some 4 door 4 cylinder turbo'd dodges

http://www.xmission.com/~dempsey/shelby/sheldodb.htm

**MrFatbooty** · 03-02-03, 01:03 AM

"Dude, the 4G63 with the boost controller on it and all that sh*t that Ryan has done, that's not a slouch of a car and that Neon..."

What an idiot! Sounds like he's been watching F&F a bit too much.

BonzoAPD · 03-03-03, 10:00 AM

the SRT-4 gives you a lot of bang for the buck

DriverZ · 03-05-03, 10:43 PM

Remember the SCC review back in Dec. '02 (I think)? I heard that too many people dropped dead surprised and could not believe the figures they dynoed the SRT-4 they had. So, SCC (March '03) then redo the same test on an actual production version and got the same figures.

Anyone can confirm this? That's what I heard anyway.

by kaminari

hmmmm...

DriverZ · 03-05-03, 10:50 PM

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Originally posted by yianni64
it doesnt have mufflers? how can this be? man, i think im dumb......

Someone took them out.

Holy spaghetti, Batman!

More of what's cookin

DriverZ · 03-05-03, 10:58 PM

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Originally posted by Toqureintourer
i've seen a ford escort at 200k does that mean ford escorts are built as good as hondas? hitting 200k depends more on the owner than the car.. I'm sure anyone with enough money can make a dodge last to 200k miles.. its all relative.. i will say yes a honda will be more likely to last 200k miles.. im just making a point..

later..

You reminded me of my '84 Ford Tempo GL. I sold it for $500. It had 351,000 miles on it.

I think in all the mags, C&D had the lowest 0 - 60 on the SRT-4. Mopar Now got it high 13s in 1/4 mile, I think. MotorWeek had the worst 0-60 and 1/4 figures, but seemed to have had the most fun on the turns on the track they tested one on.

AcuraFanatic · 03-06-03, 11:53 AM

Need to give credit for Dodge not having mufflers. Makes it sound great, I've heard an SRT-4 in person.

**MrFatbooty** · 03-06-03, 05:04 PM

Blech, that Kaminari hood and bumper looks nasty. Much worse than stock. The scoop on the stock hood can be opened up with relatively little effort and there's already plenty of air inlet space on the stock bumper.

The exhaust looks sort of interesting, but isn't that picture of more than one piece laid next to each other for display purposes?

jaje · 03-06-03, 10:19 PM

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Originally posted by DriverZ
You reminded me of my '84 Ford Tempo GL. I sold it for $500. It had 351,000 miles on it.

my friend had a tempo gl with the auto...we used to have to push it up hills (unless you got a good running start) until it threw a rod

redgoober4life · 03-07-03, 01:25 PM

Yet in the new issue the say that the New Venture Gearbox is the best out of the Mazdaspeed Protege, Mini Cooper S, and SVT Focus. Hm.

It reminds me in '98 when they described the Stratus' handling as "Tracks like a champ, corners true when other's get washy" or something to that tune. Then "Good handling dynamics are TIMELESS" then when they tested the Stratus R/T a few months back they said the handling wasn't good at all. Makes perfect sense. Argh. If anybody wants zee proof, I have both issues. I can scan then. Haw.

98CoupeV6 · 03-07-03, 02:28 PM

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Originally posted by redgoober4life
Yet in the new issue the say that the New Venture Gearbox is the best out of the Mazdaspeed Protege, Mini Cooper S, and SVT Focus. Hm.

It reminds me in '98 when they described the Stratus' handling as "Tracks like a champ, corners true when other's get washy" or something to that tune. Then "Good handling dynamics are TIMELESS" then when they tested the Stratus R/T a few months back they said the handling wasn't good at all. Makes perfect sense. Argh. If anybody wants zee proof, I have both issues. I can scan then. Haw.

Probably because as competition increased its handling prowess, the Stratus didn't.

redgoober4life · 03-07-03, 04:00 PM

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Originally posted by 98CoupeV6
Probably because as competition increased its handling prowess, the Stratus didn't.

Key word being "timeless." I'm very picky, you see.

98CoupeV6 · 03-07-03, 04:40 PM

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Originally posted by redgoober4life
Key word being "timeless." I'm very picky, you see.

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11-12-02, 09:04 PM	#37
silvagsr Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 171	You know no one mentioned that the car doesnt have mufflers and WOW it does 153.....nice

11-12-02, 11:34 PM	#39
MrFatbooty Wannabe yuppie Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 25,327	I think he means that the car doesn't have any mufflers, and its as-tested top speed was 153 mph. And not to beat a dead horse, but check out these seats! They look awesome, although there's a glaring lack of harness slots. BTW the full C&D article is now online at http://www.caranddriver.com/image_ca...srt4_seats.jpg

11-13-02, 01:26 AM	#41
silvagsr Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 171	Yes it has no mufflers... it has a turbo manifold, catalytic converter and two resonators, but no mufflers...prolly the reason why C&D mentioned the exhaust note. Something even more crazy is that sport compact car mag. tested a prototype that was putting down 223HP and 250 lb-ft torque at the wheels(not the crank) thats more than dodge is advertising at the crank....It may be a neon but this car has serious attitude (and power to match) If I had the money I would purchase it jut for the fun factor.

11-13-02, 05:03 PM	#43
MrFatbooty Wannabe yuppie Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 25,327	I've sat in an RSX, the seats didn't feel like "an amazing compromise" to me. Sure they look kind of cool but they don't keep you really locked into the seat. Don't mind me though, I'm hardcore and only really want a 1-piece seat anyway. I don't care how the interior looks, as long as there's a 1-piece driver's seat with a 4-point harness and a plain-jane passenger seat. I don't care what they have to sit on. Nissan sort of gets the idea with the new Z, the driver's seat has much more aggressive bolstering than the passenger seat. Now I haven't given it the official ass-test so I can't comment on the effectiveness, but in theory I like the concept. Now if they put these suckers in the RSX then I'd be hooked:

11-13-02, 07:46 PM	#46
silvagsr Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 171	Z's always have good seats... I had a 88 and an 82.... I really miss the 88, it had some super nice seats in it and they resembled the recaros.

03-02-03, 12:44 AM	#47
jaje HC Racer H5 Join Date: May 2000 Location: KCK Posts: 4,261	neon srt versus wrx and talon turbo http://staff.tcu.edu/jaltschul/SRT-4vsWRX_vs_Talon.WMV

03-02-03, 12:51 AM	#48
jaje HC Racer H5 Join Date: May 2000 Location: KCK Posts: 4,261	a little history on some 4 door 4 cylinder turbo'd dodges http://www.xmission.com/~dempsey/shelby/sheldodb.htm

03-02-03, 01:03 AM	#49
MrFatbooty Wannabe yuppie Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 25,327	"Dude, the 4G63 with the boost controller on it and all that sh*t that Ryan has done, that's not a slouch of a car and that Neon..." What an idiot! Sounds like he's been watching F&F a bit too much.

03-05-03, 10:43 PM	#51
DriverZ Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 79	Remember the SCC review back in Dec. '02 (I think)? I heard that too many people dropped dead surprised and could not believe the figures they dynoed the SRT-4 they had. So, SCC (March '03) then redo the same test on an actual production version and got the same figures. Anyone can confirm this? That's what I heard anyway. by kaminari hmmmm...

03-06-03, 05:04 PM	#55
MrFatbooty Wannabe yuppie Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 25,327	Blech, that Kaminari hood and bumper looks nasty. Much worse than stock. The scoop on the stock hood can be opened up with relatively little effort and there's already plenty of air inlet space on the stock bumper. The exhaust looks sort of interesting, but isn't that picture of more than one piece laid next to each other for display purposes?