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jas · 01-03-03, 10:46 PM

i have a 00 integra ls and i was planning on putting stage 2 crower cams, valve springs and retainers in it. along with that im going to install aem fuel rail and the fpr. i was just wondering if anyone has crower cams or any other in their integra ls motor and how its performing. so if can help me out with any feedback i would appreciate it.

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95LSDOHC · 01-03-03, 11:10 PM

yes...i too will be performing these mods...except the fpr.....i would also like to know how the ls engine performs.

JEFFOS69 · 01-04-03, 12:28 AM

I have a 95 RS with crower 403 the titanium reatiners and dual springs, 4-1 header, full exhaust, type R aem, fpr, jdm R tranny, remapped ECU (cams make good power up to 7500) and various other goodies (nitrous etc, suspension, rims, HID ect ect>.._

Off of the juice Im happy with how the car runs it hangs with type R's and beats GSR's all the time. I would have got the 404's but Im scared to run those with the nitrous.

On the nitrous the car runs low 13's on a street tire and full interior even A/c (minus jack and spare)

dubcac · 01-04-03, 12:40 AM

I'd get the 404's. Eddie (DB7 2.0) from this site had the 403's and was severely disappointed, wished he would have gone with the 404's.

jas · 01-04-03, 01:18 AM

thanks a lot fellas i really appreciate the feedback. i just wanted to make sure i get my money worth when i get the cams. another thing i wanted to add was which nos are you using because i was thinking about getting a zex kit. so can you let me know which kit you have an is it a wet or dry kit. thanks.

jas

JEFFOS69 · 01-04-03, 02:22 AM

NOS single fogger dry (kit#05122) set up for a 60 shot.

**MrFatbooty** · 01-04-03, 09:36 AM

Just be aware that the Crower 404's will make your car idle like a Harley.

HYBRID · 01-04-03, 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MrFatBooty
Just be aware that the Crower 404's will make your car idle like a Harley.

are they really that bad?

94 LS SiR 209 · 01-04-03, 10:35 PM

i almost did the same exact thing, i decided to go LSR instead. im gonna take either a b16 or a b18c head and build it up, have a shop install it correctly.

dubcac · 01-04-03, 10:50 PM

Just FYI, a dry kit is not a fogger. A fogger is the nozzle for a wet kit that sprays a "fog" of fuel and nitrous.

Louse76 · 01-05-03, 12:10 AM

Gotta love the 404's... how much did you guys spend to get them installed? Mine are still sitting on my floor in my spare room.

Chrgsr96 · 01-05-03, 02:42 PM

Are Crower 404's (w/ new valvesprings and retainers ofcourse) ok for daily driving besides the fact that they idle differently?? Would they definetly need dyno tuned or no? I was looking into getting the Skunk2 stage 2 cams and new valvesprings and retainers and I was told that I would need to get them dyno tuned.

**AP2** · 01-05-03, 03:15 PM

I wouldn't recommend the 404s if you still want a decent idle and low-end. If you can live with that badass idling sound and get a nice top-end in return, then go for it.

**MrFatbooty** · 01-05-03, 04:44 PM

Like I said before, if you want to know what the 404's idle like just think of a slightly less nasty Harley and that's what they sound like. It's a very lumpy idle.

pomansouth · 01-05-03, 10:45 PM

how many horses should an average person with I/h/c/e and adjustable cam sprockets see. Like just give me a range as in anywhere from so and so to so and so.

Chrgsr96 · 01-06-03, 05:11 PM

If one were to get the Crower 404's would they need dyno tuned??

spooncivicb16b · 01-07-03, 02:33 PM

i think the ctr cams have more lift and duration than the crowers. if you hunt around you should be able to find them for the same price. and they're factory honda parts.

Chrgsr96 · 01-07-03, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by spooncivicb16b
i think the ctr cams have more lift and duration than the crowers..

Ok so out of the ctr cams and the crower 404's which would give the most power? I think I would like the crower's better for their very nicely sounding idle, but the ctr cams for the fact that I would not need aftermarket valvesprings and retainers? But which makes more power?? Any opinions on this would be appreciated. Thanks

LeftCorner · 01-07-03, 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Chrgsr96
Ok so out of the ctr cams and the crower 404's which would give the most power?

The CTR is a VTEC cam, the Crower 62404 is a non-VTEC cam. If you're wanting to compare the CTR to a VTEC Crower cam it'd be similar to the 63401.

Chrgsr96 · 01-08-03, 01:14 PM

Oh ok I'm stupid sorry...

..Well then what kind of hp could I get from CTR cams? And does anyone know of any good websites where I could find some for a good price?

spooncivicb16b · 01-08-03, 02:14 PM

hmotorsonline.com i think has some good prices on ctr cams

Shingoblade-GSR · 01-08-03, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Chrgsr96
Oh ok I'm stupid sorry... ..Well then what kind of hp could I get from CTR cams? And does anyone know of any good websites where I could find some for a good price?

CTR cams? On a GSR I've seen about 5-10 whp. Go with the 404's. (I believe the 01'+ ITR cams are equivalent to the CTR cams so that should help you in your pricing)

Shingo

Chrgsr96 · 01-08-03, 07:22 PM

Thanks!

**MrFatbooty** · 01-08-03, 07:43 PM

There's no such thing as a Crower 404 cam for B-series VTEC motors. Crower part number 62404 is a non-VTEC cam for B18A, B18B, B20B and B20Z heads. That's it. CTR cams go in VTEC heads.

IF...

You want a good non-VTEC cam with a reasonably normal idle, get Crower part # 62403 (a.k.a. "Crower 403")

You want a more extreme non-VTEC cam that has more top end power and don't mind an idle that's like a Harley, get Crower part # 62404 (a.k.a. "Crower 404")

You want a VTEC cam that will make better than Type-R numbers but not create a totally peaky power band, you have a number of options. This would go into a mildly modified motor with say, i/h/e and not much else. Toda Spec A, JUN Type-II, Crower 63402, skunk2 Stage 1 are all good.

You want an all-out VTEC cam to put into a built-up motor, you also have a number of options. JUN Type-III and skunk2 Stage 2 are identical (the skunk is a more affordable copy of the JUN), and Toda Spec B will also make good power.

There are other cams out there but those are the more popular and worthwhile options.

Shingoblade-GSR · 01-08-03, 08:45 PM

Out of all the cams listed above, one of them is notorious for eating rockers for breakfast (although I can't remember which one).

I would recommend skunk2 period (JUN of USA is long gone = zero tech support + 10 month waiting times)

Shingo

ps. Not sure if this helps the LS guy or the GSR guy..I lost track of who was doing the askin'

SiR-DC2 · 01-08-03, 10:52 PM

---I have a 95 RS with crower 403 the titanium reatiners and dual springs, 4-1 header, full exhaust, type R aem, fpr, jdm R tranny, remapped ECU (cams make good power up to 7500) and various other goodies (nitrous etc, suspension, rims, HID ect ect>.._

This sounds like a nice setup but you did upgrade your oil pump, right? Those extra few hundred RPM would really benifit fromthe VTEC oil pump

Chrgsr96 · 01-09-03, 12:33 PM

Out of all the cams listed so far. The ones that sound like what I would want would be either the ITR cams, the Skunk2 stage 1 cams, and you did say the CTR cams could be used on a GSR correct? Out of all of those which would give the overall best hp. I'm not building a big all motor engine so I figure I'll stay with the basic cam upgrades. So yea any help with those would be great. Thanks

Shingoblade-GSR · 01-09-03, 12:47 PM

I believe the 01' ITR cams are the same as the CTR cams.

Shingo

Chrgsr96 · 01-09-03, 12:49 PM

Thats cool does anyone know for sure whether they're the exact same or is one better?

More&Faster · 01-09-03, 02:52 PM

i know both crower and skunk2 offer stage 2 upgrades for vtec engines that have stage 2 vtec lobes, and stock idle lobes. that way when you wanna go fast you rev it over 4400 (or whatever), and it flies, and when you just driving around town, its just like stock. stock idle, stock mileage. when i get some money i plan on getting these from skunk2 for my GSR.

this is the true beauty of VTEC

01-03-03, 11:10 PM	#2
95LSDOHC Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Norwich, CT Posts: 111	yes...i too will be performing these mods...except the fpr.....i would also like to know how the ls engine performs. __________________ 1995 Acura Integra:

01-04-03, 12:40 AM	#4
dubcac I WANT WINNERS Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The W Posts: 52,939	I'd get the 404's. Eddie (DB7 2.0) from this site had the 403's and was severely disappointed, wished he would have gone with the 404's. __________________ Brett.2003.NFR.AP1.Apexi.ATE.Bilstein.Mugen.Work Team B.O.B.® - Ballaz on a Budget "Hip hop is so wack, the beats are fighting back And I was sent to attack, so I'm following the map"

01-04-03, 10:50 PM	#10
dubcac I WANT WINNERS Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The W Posts: 52,939	Just FYI, a dry kit is not a fogger. A fogger is the nozzle for a wet kit that sprays a "fog" of fuel and nitrous. __________________ Brett.2003.NFR.AP1.Apexi.ATE.Bilstein.Mugen.Work Team B.O.B.® - Ballaz on a Budget "Hip hop is so wack, the beats are fighting back And I was sent to attack, so I'm following the map"

01-05-03, 12:10 AM	#11
Louse76 Team Teg Project Car Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 134	Gotta love the 404's... how much did you guys spend to get them installed? Mine are still sitting on my floor in my spare room. __________________ http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...c/fc14f420.jpg

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01-04-03, 12:28 AM	#3
JEFFOS69 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 111	I have a 95 RS with crower 403 the titanium reatiners and dual springs, 4-1 header, full exhaust, type R aem, fpr, jdm R tranny, remapped ECU (cams make good power up to 7500) and various other goodies (nitrous etc, suspension, rims, HID ect ect>.._ Off of the juice Im happy with how the car runs it hangs with type R's and beats GSR's all the time. I would have got the 404's but Im scared to run those with the nitrous. On the nitrous the car runs low 13's on a street tire and full interior even A/c (minus jack and spare)

01-04-03, 01:18 AM	#5
jas Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 7	thanks a lot fellas i really appreciate the feedback. i just wanted to make sure i get my money worth when i get the cams. another thing i wanted to add was which nos are you using because i was thinking about getting a zex kit. so can you let me know which kit you have an is it a wet or dry kit. thanks. jas

01-04-03, 02:22 AM	#6
JEFFOS69 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 111	NOS single fogger dry (kit#05122) set up for a 60 shot.

01-04-03, 09:36 AM	#7
MrFatbooty Wannabe yuppie Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 25,341	Just be aware that the Crower 404's will make your car idle like a Harley.

01-04-03, 10:35 PM	#9
94 LS SiR 209 Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 36	i almost did the same exact thing, i decided to go LSR instead. im gonna take either a b16 or a b18c head and build it up, have a shop install it correctly.

01-05-03, 02:42 PM	#12
Chrgsr96 ~~~~~~~~~ Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Cincinnati Ohio Posts: 473	Are Crower 404's (w/ new valvesprings and retainers ofcourse) ok for daily driving besides the fact that they idle differently?? Would they definetly need dyno tuned or no? I was looking into getting the Skunk2 stage 2 cams and new valvesprings and retainers and I was told that I would need to get them dyno tuned.

01-05-03, 03:15 PM	#13
AP2 Moderator Alumni Join Date: Aug 2000 Posts: 20,416	I wouldn't recommend the 404s if you still want a decent idle and low-end. If you can live with that badass idling sound and get a nice top-end in return, then go for it.

01-05-03, 04:44 PM	#14
MrFatbooty Wannabe yuppie Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 25,341	Like I said before, if you want to know what the 404's idle like just think of a slightly less nasty Harley and that's what they sound like. It's a very lumpy idle.

01-05-03, 10:45 PM	#15
pomansouth Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: montgomery alabama Posts: 1,751	how many horses should an average person with I/h/c/e and adjustable cam sprockets see. Like just give me a range as in anywhere from so and so to so and so.

01-06-03, 05:11 PM	#16
Chrgsr96 ~~~~~~~~~ Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Cincinnati Ohio Posts: 473	If one were to get the Crower 404's would they need dyno tuned??

01-07-03, 02:33 PM	#17
spooncivicb16b Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: landen ohio Posts: 490	i think the ctr cams have more lift and duration than the crowers. if you hunt around you should be able to find them for the same price. and they're factory honda parts.

01-08-03, 01:14 PM	#20
Chrgsr96 ~~~~~~~~~ Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Cincinnati Ohio Posts: 473	Oh ok I'm stupid sorry... ..Well then what kind of hp could I get from CTR cams? And does anyone know of any good websites where I could find some for a good price?

01-08-03, 02:14 PM	#21
spooncivicb16b Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: landen ohio Posts: 490	hmotorsonline.com i think has some good prices on ctr cams

01-08-03, 07:22 PM	#23
Chrgsr96 ~~~~~~~~~ Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Cincinnati Ohio Posts: 473	Thanks!

01-08-03, 07:43 PM	#24
MrFatbooty Wannabe yuppie Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 25,341	There's no such thing as a Crower 404 cam for B-series VTEC motors. Crower part number 62404 is a non-VTEC cam for B18A, B18B, B20B and B20Z heads. That's it. CTR cams go in VTEC heads. IF... You want a good non-VTEC cam with a reasonably normal idle, get Crower part # 62403 (a.k.a. "Crower 403") You want a more extreme non-VTEC cam that has more top end power and don't mind an idle that's like a Harley, get Crower part # 62404 (a.k.a. "Crower 404") You want a VTEC cam that will make better than Type-R numbers but not create a totally peaky power band, you have a number of options. This would go into a mildly modified motor with say, i/h/e and not much else. Toda Spec A, JUN Type-II, Crower 63402, skunk2 Stage 1 are all good. You want an all-out VTEC cam to put into a built-up motor, you also have a number of options. JUN Type-III and skunk2 Stage 2 are identical (the skunk is a more affordable copy of the JUN), and Toda Spec B will also make good power. There are other cams out there but those are the more popular and worthwhile options.

01-08-03, 08:45 PM	#25
Shingoblade-GSR Hellsing Agency Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 1,561	Out of all the cams listed above, one of them is notorious for eating rockers for breakfast (although I can't remember which one). I would recommend skunk2 period (JUN of USA is long gone = zero tech support + 10 month waiting times) Shingo ps. Not sure if this helps the LS guy or the GSR guy..I lost track of who was doing the askin'

01-08-03, 10:52 PM	#26
SiR-DC2 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 189	---I have a 95 RS with crower 403 the titanium reatiners and dual springs, 4-1 header, full exhaust, type R aem, fpr, jdm R tranny, remapped ECU (cams make good power up to 7500) and various other goodies (nitrous etc, suspension, rims, HID ect ect>.._ This sounds like a nice setup but you did upgrade your oil pump, right? Those extra few hundred RPM would really benifit fromthe VTEC oil pump

01-09-03, 12:33 PM	#27
Chrgsr96 ~~~~~~~~~ Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Cincinnati Ohio Posts: 473	Out of all the cams listed so far. The ones that sound like what I would want would be either the ITR cams, the Skunk2 stage 1 cams, and you did say the CTR cams could be used on a GSR correct? Out of all of those which would give the overall best hp. I'm not building a big all motor engine so I figure I'll stay with the basic cam upgrades. So yea any help with those would be great. Thanks

01-09-03, 12:47 PM	#28
Shingoblade-GSR Hellsing Agency Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 1,561	I believe the 01' ITR cams are the same as the CTR cams. Shingo

01-09-03, 12:49 PM	#29
Chrgsr96 ~~~~~~~~~ Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Cincinnati Ohio Posts: 473	Thats cool does anyone know for sure whether they're the exact same or is one better?

01-09-03, 02:52 PM	#30
More&Faster Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 1,664	i know both crower and skunk2 offer stage 2 upgrades for vtec engines that have stage 2 vtec lobes, and stock idle lobes. that way when you wanna go fast you rev it over 4400 (or whatever), and it flies, and when you just driving around town, its just like stock. stock idle, stock mileage. when i get some money i plan on getting these from skunk2 for my GSR. this is the true beauty of VTEC