CRX VS S13 240sx.

[HAZE]

I currently have an I-4 02' Accord. Im goin to LA next year and ive put far too much money into that car to risk getting it jacked...plus its pretty much slammed with half a finger gap b/t the wheel wells, which wont agree with LA's rough roads and @sshole drivers. Anyhow, i am debating b/t a 1989-1992 240sx or a 1988-1991 CRX. I plan to get an engine swap for either car when i get it. For the 240, a KA24DE, which makes 160hp/163tq. For the CRX, a USDM B16, makin about 160hp/130-140ishTQ. Yes, the 240sx is RWD with more torque, but the CRX is lighter. They both cost about the same for the initial car, but the b16 swap will be more costly then a KA swap. My buddy on my team has a B18 GS-R engine CRX and is running 12.9secs STOCK. Pretty scary...but too crazy for me. I just want a fun, quick car that is reliable with good mileage, and as far as im concerned, both cars would be able to pass smog even with the swaps. What do you guys think? Close call imo..

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[A_PHOBIA]

whatare you going to be using your car for? do you wanna get side ways?or do you want a crx thats gonna whoop the piss outa that 240?i prefer frd because i have more controll plus im less likely to get killed pulling one of my manuvers"sp"anyways its all about what you want.

[v8guy]

RWD all the way. Torque steer =

[HAZE]

i want a car that i can feel, something that will take off and handle turns really well, and at the same time look decent. I've driven my Accord for quite a while, so i want something that can take off really fast, yet have the suspension capability to handle the power.

[jaje]

Originally Posted by v8guy

RWD all the way. Torque steer =

on a low powered lightweight car (ala CRX) torque steer is not a big issue...anything with over 200ftlbs to the wheels makes it bad (but only if you want to drive it that hard)

[v8guy]

Don't get me wrong, FWD has its own advantages. Launching hard from a dead stop is not one of them. I notice torque steer with my stock 108hp but whoopty do, if I felt like doing wicked holeshots I'd drive my 5.0. Similarly, I wouldn't want to go in to combat with a steak knife nor would I want to eat dinner with a K-Bar. Each knife is superior for its intended purpose.

I don't know much about nissans so I can't really comment on the 240sx but I'd recommend a RWD layout for drag racing and FWD for general driving. I will say that my CRX is fun to drive, handles well, and gets good mileage. I'm pretty happy with it.

[jaje]

Originally Posted by v8guy

Don't get me wrong, FWD has its own advantages. Launching hard from a dead stop is not one of them. I notice torque steer with my stock 108hp but whoopty do, if I felt like doing wicked holeshots I'd drive my 5.0. Similarly, I wouldn't want to go in to combat with a steak knife nor would I want to eat dinner with a K-Bar. Each knife is superior for its intended purpose.

I don't know much about nissans so I can't really comment on the 240sx but I'd recommend a RWD layout for drag racing and FWD for general driving. I will say that my CRX is fun to drive, handles well, and gets good mileage. I'm pretty happy with it.

i agree that a rwd car (especially with a larger torquey engine is a superior platform for drag racing...but when you are moving the advantage is lessened immensely (got a buddy who runs 12.4s in a rather ugly looking civic sedan with h22a and a 100shot of nitrous...it is also his daily driver and a good sleeper)

[v8guy]

Totally, thats why FWD guys always want to race from a roll or on the highway. If I turbo my CRX it will be to pass people on the highway, not to drag race. If I turbo my Mustang, it will be to drag race, AND pass people on the highway. Drag racing really has very little to do with real-world driving, but it sure is fun, especially at stoplights. Unfortunately, such behavior is really illegal and not recommended. Why is it that so many really fun things are dangerous and illegal? (retorical question, no need to answer) Anyway, I used to have a Saab 900 turbo (FWD), and that car was a blast to drive. I never drag raced it but man was it nice to come ripping off an entrance ramp in 3rd with the turbo fully spooled cranking out max boost. I'd love to make my CRX move like that thing did. Handled great in the snow too, where is where FWD has it all over RWD.

Anyway, if drag racing isn't the main priority I say CRX all the way, but then again I'm prejudiced.

[HAZE]

so....that brings the question to what type of B16...? I want to pass smog. Also, how much will the engine run? I have a friend that can handle the labor.

[bluetwo]

I think i'd rather have a fast CRX than a 5.0 anyday. I've driven both and that's my opinion, but the 240 could be a great car. Good luck deciding that one... for traffic and tight spots the smaller car has obvious advantages.

[A_PHOBIA]

were do you live? all the smog laws change state to state.
i will tell you what you need is a crx/hb there f*cking great.
if you lice in ca,none of the b16 will pass emisions with out modifications and approval from the inspection ref.a usdm b18c"gsr"will pass smog if you convert your car to the same obd as it would have come stock from the factory.auctually what you want is a usdm b16 "outs the 99-00 si's and a few del soles these would work for emissions too.

[HAZE]

damnit, i live in Cali. anyone know exactly what engines will work?

[A_PHOBIA]

any usdm motor,just wire everything up the way it was originally.
everything has to be in working order.

[HAZE]

when ordering online or through someone, how woud i know if it's a USDM. I mean, just because the B16A2 came in the late model Sols doesnt mean that that any B16a2 is going to be a USDM motor....so confusing......

[Reason]

How does one wire and OBDII system into a OBD0( 2000 LS b18 into 89 CRX) I mostly work on Subarus, im new to honda trying to learn as much as I can. Does anyone have links or can explain the swap?

[A_PHOBIA]

sorry i cant help with wiring i dont know jack about it.most site like hmotors online will tell you if its a usdm or jdm motor.

[Kai]

Rear wheel drive. It's only a problem if you suck at driving. Get a 240.

[Calilude]

Originally Posted by bluetwo

I think i'd rather have a fast CRX than a 5.0 anyday. I've driven both and that's my opinion, but the 240 could be a great car. Good luck deciding that one... for traffic and tight spots the smaller car has obvious advantages.

I have to, I've owned both. The Mustang is fun to get sideways in but the mpg sucks ass and there is way to much oversteer in that car. If you can't control it don't own it, so I sold mine. I've had 4 crx's and they've always been the best cars for me, however a 240 sx sounds real sweet, they look pretty bad ass.

Oh and cuz you're moving to L.A they'll jack any car they want to it doesn't matter wtf it is. If someone wants it they'll get a hold of it.

[Kai]

If we want to pick beans between a fast 5.0 or CRX, I'd take the CRX simply because I know how to work on one.

Oh, and I hate Fords.


Except for the Torino.

Mopar > Chevy > doggy poo poo > Ford

[S2Kev]

Originally Posted by HAZE

so....that brings the question to what type of B16...? I want to pass smog. Also, how much will the engine run? I have a friend that can handle the labor.

It doesn't matter which b16a you get if you want to pass smog. You will need a usdm p30 ecu and a usdm b series intake manifold for the smog device (I forget which smog device). The only thing that sucks about going 1st gen b16a is that you'll have to convert to obd1. With the 2nd gen b16a, there is no need for that.

Also, I'm not exactly sure if they check to see if the ecu is usdm. So you may be able to pass with a jdm p30 ecu.

The smog referee will smog the engine as a del sol vtec engine (b16a3).

[ED9man]

Originally Posted by e30dood

It doesn't matter which b16a you get if you want to pass smog. You will need a usdm p30 ecu and a usdm b series intake manifold for the smog device (I forget which smog device). The only thing that sucks about going 1st gen b16a is that you'll have to convert to obd1. With the 2nd gen b16a, there is no need for that.

Also, I'm not exactly sure if they check to see if the ecu is usdm. So you may be able to pass with a jdm p30 ecu.

The smog referee will smog the engine as a del sol vtec engine (b16a3).

why do you have to convert to OBD1 to put it into a CRX?

[jaje]

Originally Posted by Kai

Oh, and I hate Fords.

Mopar > Chevy > doggy poo poo > Ford

what...safety is job one at Ford...just think of the pinto/town cars...or the explorer...or the crown vic with the same fuel tank design as the pinto...or the massive ignition coil recall ford didn't do and over 1000 died...or the massive tranny failures on the taurus...what a great company to be a stockholder and not an owner

[A_PHOBIA]

Originally Posted by ED9man

why do you have to convert to OBD1 to put it into a CRX?

because they have vtec. vtec was not introduced untill obd1.

[Kai]

Originally Posted by HAZE

when ordering online or through someone, how woud i know if it's a USDM. I mean, just because the B16A2 came in the late model Sols doesnt mean that that any B16a2 is going to be a USDM motor....so confusing......

Forgot to mention, JDM engines will NOT have a "2" on them. They are simply stamped "B16A" through both generations.

Originally Posted by A_PHOBIA

because they have vtec. vtec was not introduced untill obd1.

DOHC VTEC was introduced with OBD-0. The PR3 and PW0 ECU's come to mind.

SOHC VTEC didn't come around until OBD-1 time.

[S2Kev]

Originally Posted by ED9man

why do you have to convert to OBD1 to put it into a CRX?

Because the b16a engine was only introduced in the del sol vtec. They will compare smog according to the del sol vtec specs. So you have to run the same ecu as the b16a3. The thing is that I don't know if theres a difference between the jdm p30 and the usdm p30. So you might be ok with either.