Undecided between the 00-01 ITr cams and the Skunk2 Stage 1 cams

[dnt94civic]

I need some of your guy's input on this. Which cams would you go for?

Skunk2 Stage 1 cams or the 00-01 ITR cams?

From my research, both have an advantage.

The skunk2 cams will give me more High end horsepower, while the ITR cams will give me more low-mid end torque/hp. I don't know which one I should go for? I have been trying to make this decision for the past month, and I still can't decide.

Skunks will yield ~10 hp more at ~8000rpms
while
ITR's will yield ~5 tq more at ~4000-5000 rpms

TIA

[Snoopy]

what do you plan to do with the car? drag, autox, track, street?

answer that first.

[qtiger]

If you want midrange power: Jun2 intake cam, ITR exhaust cam.

[dnt94civic]

Originally posted by Snoopy
what do you plan to do with the car? drag, autox, track, street?

answer that first.

This car is only a daily driven street car. I don't push the car to the limit that much, and my mods so far are:

AEM CAI, Greddy 4-2-1 Headers, and Apexi WS exhaust

Also, how much do the Jun 2 cams run?


hth

[qtiger]

$300-400 each.

Here's the Jun2/ITR (red) vs. CTR/ITR (blue)

[inspyral]

Looks like the Jun2's ownerage the CTR/ITR's in the middle there.

[qtiger]

Originally posted by inspyral
Looks like the Jun2's ownerage the CTR/ITR's in the middle there.

A good example of why peak numbers don't mean crap.

[Ronin]

I would say if you are not completely tied down to your orginal choices that JUN2/ITR seems like a good combo. See how they match up price wise.

ronin

[SiClone]

The key question with the Jun's is whether or not it is required to upgrade your valvetrain, i.e. sprinds and retainers.

For the ITR and Skunk2 Stage 1's, if you're not going to raise your stock rev limit, then the stock valvetrain will be fine. The ITR cams max out at the stock rev limit anyway, so there's really no point. BUT, the Stage 1 cams are still capable of making power to 9000 rpm's, but then that would require new valve springs and retainers (Skunk2's of course).

As for your research, where did you get your information. From my sources (HERE), the Skunk2 Stage 1's will have more power throughout the powerband compared to the ITR's.

Lastly, no matter what set up you decide to go with, make sure you get the corresponding cam gears and definitely spend the time and money to get them dyno-tunded.


I too debated for a while over the CTR cams and Stage's 1's. In the end, I went with the Stage 1's. I'm just waiting for my valve adjustment tool to get here before I install my Skunk2 cams and cam gears...

[redheat86]

the pwer band to 9k is very debatable...its all on how you tune the car and for what power band you tune the car for.. you can go check out importbuilders dyno graphs.. one of there 240+ hp cars running toda c's peaked at about 8400 i believe... so just htink of how your gona tune your car.. ive also had experiance with toda c's in a built b18c5.. and experianmce with ctr cams in a b20 vtec with 12:1 comp.. we just dynoed that setup the other day..spec are as follow b20 block..eagle rods. je pistons 92 b16 head with ctr cams.. at 12.0 comp.. running stock b16 manifold and tbody.. the cams peaked at about 7500 and the motor put down 186 with 150...now once we get toda c's into the motor with a set of modified toyota ae111 individual tbody's onto it.. were hoping peak power around 9k

[Nelson]

I have ITR cams, I think they are your best bet for daily driven...

[dnt94civic]

It seems as though that with the Jun2 cams, even though they made a lot of mid range power, I would need to upgrade my springs and retainers which I don't really want to do. Also, Is there anything I should look out for when buying a used set of cams? found a guy with a good deal on a set of skunk2 stage 1 cams and cam gears.

Also, is there any noticeable difference in the loudness of upgraded cams? That will also play a factor in my decision too.

decisions, decisions

[Unjockable]

i'd go with ITR

[Outxider]

i got em too.

Originally posted by MaxBoosT
I have ITR cams, I think they are your best bet for daily driven...

[SiClone]

Originally posted by dnt94civic
It seems as though that with the Jun2 cams, even though they made a lot of mid range power, I would need to upgrade my springs and retainers which I don't really want to do. Also, Is there anything I should look out for when buying a used set of cams? found a guy with a good deal on a set of skunk2 stage 1 cams and cam gears.

Also, is there any noticeable difference in the loudness of upgraded cams? That will also play a factor in my decision too.

decisions, decisions

It's a tough decision, but you need to just pick one and live with it. I decided to go with the Stage 1's because to me, since I was spending the money on the cams, cam gears, and dyno time, I wanted the max potential without being required to upgrade my valvetrain (which is more money and much more labor intensive). The Stage 1's were the best cams for me.

As for new or used, I was originally going to buy a used set of cams. I've bought many things used before and sometimes you get a great deal and sometimes you get scewed. From what I found, used cams are only a $100 or so cheaper than buying brand new. So I went with new ones because I didn't want my cam purchase to be one of those used buy's that didn't turn out as expected. Used is used.

As for the set you found, if it's the guy in the Classifieds, I'd be a little wary of him. I was ready to buy his cams and cam gears but he never followed through with getting me pics or anything like that. He told me ho would get me pics and I never heard anything after that. I'm not a person who is going to chase a seller down and beg them to sell me their stuff. If a seller lists something, they should be ready to sell it. But seriously though, if you're buying something used (in this case over $500) and the seller can't get you pics, forget about it.

[Nelson]

Originally posted by Unjockable
i'd go with ITR

Originally posted by dnt94civic
It seems as though that with the Jun2 cams, even though they made a lot of mid range power, I would need to upgrade my springs and retainers which I don't really want to do. Also, Is there anything I should look out for when buying a used set of cams? found a guy with a good deal on a set of skunk2 stage 1 cams and cam gears.

Also, is there any noticeable difference in the loudness of upgraded cams? That will also play a factor in my decision too.

decisions, decisions

Even if you change over to Type R cams, you might want to switch over the exhaust springs to the intake side. Don't get Type R springs because they are actually softer than standard B series springs (Type R's have lighter valves).

As for used cams, it's pretty much a gamble, make sure the seller is trust-worthy. Visually, you will never be able to tell the difference between cams... unless they have a stamp (not sure if JUN stamps at an end or something).

I noticed slightly louder sounds with the addition of ITR cams, but nothing significant.

[dnt94civic]

Originally posted by SiClone


As for the set you found, if it's the guy in the Classifieds, I'd be a little wary of him. I was ready to buy his cams and cam gears but he never followed through with getting me pics or anything like that. He told me ho would get me pics and I never heard anything after that. I'm not a person who is going to chase a seller down and beg them to sell me their stuff. If a seller lists something, they should be ready to sell it. But seriously though, if you're buying something used (in this case over $500) and the seller can't get you pics, forget about it.

Hey, it is the guy in the classified section, However, he did send me some pics of both the cams and cam gears. 600 shipped
I was going to buy them, but now I don't know

[Import-Tooner]

I was faced with the same decision. I am building the b16 in my hatch and it is mostly a daily driver but I want to be able to kick some ass at the drags. I decided to go with the skunk2 stage 1 cams. If you decide to go with the same, you should email me and I will tell you the best place to get them.

[Nelson]

Originally posted by dnt94civic
Hey, it is the guy in the classified section, However, he did send me some pics of both the cams and cam gears. 600 shipped
I was going to buy them, but now I don't know

Seriously, pics won't do you any good.... I have a pic of cams in my sig, you'd never know what they were if I didn't tell you where they came from. as far as identify what cams they are... the only thing the pics should help in is making sure they are perfect, NO scratches whatsoever.